[Terrapreta] Tree planting -- a bit more

[lou gold]

Ed,

We agree.

You are quite correct in pointing out the time dimension.

I was countering the simplistic thinking that points to old wooden houses
and furniture as a carbon sink. It is, somewhat, but not much and not for
long.

lou




On Dec 4, 2007 3:39 AM, Edward Someus <edward at terrenum.net> wrote:

>    NO, -- Saw timber that becomes house and furniture do NOT constitute a
> true carbon sink, this is virtual solution.
>
> **
> *THIS IS WRONG TIME DIMENSION.*  2 aspects
>
>
>    - While timber house life time sustaining few decades only (if at
>    all) and the life time of the furnitures are few years only, -- VS carbon
>    sink to soil for MINIMUM and SAFELY several 1000s of years, which later is a
>    true time perspective solution for human kind.
>    -
>    - After the life time of the timber house and the furniture, this
>    mass creates a new waste problem (sometimes a nasty one), as this is mostly
>    impregnated and/or painted, and the operations to handle this type of
>    hazardous organic waste stream is complex issue and the original wood
>    material will be carbon emitter again in soon time.
>
> My opinion is that this is not a true solution for carbon storage.
>
>
>
>
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> *-------Original Message-------*
>
>  *From:* lou gold <lou.gold at gmail.com>
> *Date:* 2007.12.04. 6:03:09
> *To:* still.thinking at computare.org
> *Cc:* Terrapreta <Terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] Tree planting -- a bit more
>
> Duane,
>
> You are part right. Saw timber that becomes house and furniture do
> constitute a carbon sink. BUT I'll bet that no more than 20% of the original
> forest biomass ends up in these uses. Most goes to paper products,
> co-generation and plain old waste. Cutting forests with the presumed goal of
> a home carbon sink is not the way to go.
>
> all best,
>
> lou
>
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2007 2:54 AM, Duane Pendergast <still.thinking at computare.org>
> wrote:
>
> Lou,
>
>
>
> I guess Mike has not noticed yet that Canada 's dead trees become houses
> in Canada and the US . There's your carbon sink. The renewing forest keeps
> on removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.  The missing link here is to
> turn any dead houses into charcoal and rebuild the soil with them. Keep up
> the good work.
>
>
>
> Duane
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org [mailto:
> terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org] *On Behalf Of *lou gold
> *Sent:* December 3, 2007 9:45 PM
> *To:* Terrapreta
> *Subject:* [Terrapreta] Tree planting -- a bit more
>
>
>
> Kelpie Wilson over at TruthOut as juxtaposed two recent articles on tree
> planting, soils, etc.
> They reveal the issues. http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/120307EA.shtml
>
> There's tremendous misunderstanding and I suspect lots is reported without
> full context. Here's an example:
>
>     "Forests are a band-aid," said Mike Flannigan, a research scientists
> at the Canadian Forest Service. "Eventually, forests die, releasing all that
> stored carbon into the atmosphere."
>
>     "Forests are carbon-neutral over the long term," Flannigan told IPS.
>
>
>
>
>
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