[Terrapreta] a braoder theory of torrefaction and TP

[Duane Pendergast]

I believe that shorter methane life in the atmosphere is taken into account
in the calculation of it's efficacy as a greenhouse gas relative to carbon
dioxide.

 

Duane

 

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From: terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org
[mailto:terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Greg and April
Sent: December 11, 2007 11:39 AM
To: 'Terrapreta preta'
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] a braoder theory of torrefaction and TP

 

Let's also keep in mind, that while methane is a stronger greenhouse gas,
it's life expectancy in the atmosphere is about 12 yrs, before it breaks
down into CO2 and H2O.    OTOH, CO2 is believed to have a life expectancy
exceeding 120 yrs.

 

Greg H.

 

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From: Sean K. Barry <mailto:sean.barry at juno.com>  

To: still.thinking at computare.org ; 'Jim Joyner' <mailto:jimstoy at dtccom.net>


Cc: 'Terrapreta preta' <mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>  

Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 20:55

Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] a braoder theory of torrefaction and TP

 

Hi Duane, Jim,

 

You've made a super good point here!  Methane-CH4 from buried wood would be
an absolutely important issue.  A volume Methane gas-CH4 has the same global
warming potential as 25 times that volume of CO2 over a 100 year period and
the same global warming potential as 72 time that volume of CO2 or 20 years.
As the buried wood decomposes it will release Methane.

 

Here is maybe an interesting idea, though.  Suppose wood is buried and kept
wet and warm under the subsoil.  Then, like a landfill, it is sealed from
below and it is integrated with pipes from above.  This "wood-fill" could be
then treated like a source of natural gas.  What would you think of that?
Of course, as you harvest the Methane, you would reduce the carbon storage
and the ground would eventually subside.

 

Regards,

 

SKB

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From: Duane Pendergast <mailto:still.thinking at computare.org>  

To: 'Jim Joyner' <mailto:jimstoy at dtccom.net>  

Cc: 'Terrapreta preta' <mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>  

Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:29 PM

Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] a braoder theory of torrefaction and TP

 

Good thoughts there Jim, but it would likely perform similarly to  a
landfill. Those tend to generate methane which we are told is a much more
effective greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.  Charcoal might be a good
substitute for some of the goals you mention and seemingly would avoid the
methane production.

 

Duane

 

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[mailto:terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Jim Joyner
Sent: December 10, 2007 7:47 PM
Cc: Terrapreta preta
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] a braoder theory of torrefaction and TP

 

You know, We've all been looking at the sexier uses of various forms of
burned wood in the top soil, but if you want a cheap way to sequester
carbon, burying sawdust or chips in the subsoil accomplishes the same thing
(burying charcoal below the topsoil makes no economic sense, serves little
or no purpose). It  works because there is little or no biological activity
in the subsoil.

I don't know how long it lasts but it gotta be at least decades. But it
might be forever. I was always involved with the farming side, not the
research, but I know of experiments that were started 25 to 30 years ago in
Missouri. They took sawdust, mixed it with subsoil and buried it as much as
six feet deep in long trenches. The purpose was to give certain deep rooted
perennials (grapes, in this case) more root room and create a moisture
reservoir. 

The moisture reservoir is a good idea for not only plants but for good water
shed. And, it buries a lot carbon waste product that doesn't need to be
processed.

There are even less invasive ways to bury woody material in the subsoil too.
For example, I subsoil my beds for annuals to about 3 feet. I balance the
subsoil by adding limestone (I built a device that subsoils and adds lime at
the same time. Not all soils need the lime) so that it will be lose not only
physically but electrically. Then, every year a crop sends a new set of
roots down and leaves them behind. The blackness of the soil gets deeper and
darker every year. The water holding capacity of the subsoil increases every
year. 

Jim

Gerald Van Koeverden wrote:

I like your idea....we 'soils peoples'  have to broaden our scope of
interest from 'biochar' to the whole range of "torrefied wood".  Let me try
to build a new 'theory."

 

Torrefaction does something to the wood so that it lasts much longer in the
soil than non-torrefied wood.  What happens in torrefaction?  "This process
removes all naturally occurring resins, sugars and oxygens while collapsing
the cells. This accomplishes two things: First, it gives the lumber a deep,
rich brown color...Second, and more importantly, it alters the wood to make
it extremely stable, moisture resistant and decay resistant."

 

This extended life effect is not just because it drives out enough moisture
to inhibit decomposing organisms, but it also provides a suitable habitat
for non-decomposing soil-dwelling organisms - not dependant on as high
moisture contents - which in turn protect their habitat from rapid
decomposition.  If these MO don't completely inhibit decomposition, they at
least have a significant effect in slowing that process down.  It is the
biological activity of these micro-organisms inhabiting the torrefied wood,
which increases the fertility of those soils and make TP's what they are.

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