[Terrapreta] FW: Terrapreta Digest, Vol 11, Issue 71

[Nikolaus Foidl]

Dear Greg!

I did not know that you are an agent for some guys in Hawaii who want to
sell me my own development. I thought this is a information transfer list
for people interested in Charcoal and Terra Preta and not some obscure
Address gathering ­ sending selling ­offers event. If you did gather my
address and gave this information to those guys what do I have to expect
next year? Somebody trying to sell me fresh air from Bolivia or penis
enlargement pills? This is called pishing or worse.
He mentions your address and pasted a copy of your communication with me in
the mail he send me. Please if you where the person getting those people the
address then don't do it again.
Some years ago something similar happened to me in Guatemala. I held a
lecture about Biogas and Reactor designs and 7 month later one guy from
Guatemala who asked me for an electronic copy of my power point presentation
came to Nicaragua, Managua ( my Hometown at that time) and announced with
lot of noise a lecture about Biogas and reactor design and I got a personal
invitation with reduced entrance fee offer of 300 US$ to hear and see my own
power point presentation. That exact feeling i got a moment ago when i got
this mail from Hawaii.
So please keep the list free of sellers what ever they want to sell. If you
did not give them my address my deepest apology if wrongly accused.
Happy New Year to all.
Nikolaus Foidl
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From: Nikolaus Foidl <nfoidl at desa.com.bo>
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:00:58 -0400
To: Dick Cox <rcox at hawaii.edu>
Conversation: [Terrapreta] Terrapreta Digest, Vol 11, Issue 71
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Terrapreta Digest, Vol 11, Issue 71

Dear Mr. Cox!

Thank you for your nice letter. I stumbled over high pressure carbon from a
literature research I did some 15 years ago and found at least 10 mentions
of this process, the oldest dating back to 1890 or so and the latest in the
40 ties. I my self have worked with pressurized charcoal and black liquor
production( lab scale unit with 5 liters, pressure up to 200 bar) in the
laboratory since some 12 years.( there are sufficient proofs and photos
about the work and the pressure kettle, paid by the Swiss government) When I
this year after having build my own bigger pressure cooker( 35 bar working
pressure)  learned to know in the Terra Preta congress in Australia that a
Dr. Antal from Hawaii had patented this process I was really wondering how
prior known art like a wonder can turn into a patent again.( well in reality
happens with more then 50% of the patents) I for sure am willing to share my
experience with whom ever is interested in this way of producing charcoal. I
am not selling charcoal, its for internal use only. As far as I know there
is no whatever patent filed in Bolivia( please correct me if I am wrong) and
if there is any intention my reactors and the publications accessible on
internet and in all public libraries about prior known art in this area
would not allow so.
I don't know Mr. Antal and I have or had no intention to interfere with his
work. I wish him all the best in his work, because I feel that Charcoal will
be important in future and we need more people working in this area.
I wish you happy Hollidays and a prosperous New Year.
With my best regards Nikolaus Foidl


On 12/31/07 4:54 PM, "Dick Cox" <rcox at hawaii.edu> wrote:

> Dear Mr. Foidl:
>  
> I read with interest your description of a pressurized carbonization chamber
> you have constructed.  As you probably know, Dr. Michael Antal (Coral
> Industries Distinguished Professor, Hawaii Natural Energy Institute,
> University of Hawaii) has developed a technology that uses pressure to
> carbonize biomass quickly and efficiently.  The University of Hawaii holds
> patents on Dr. Antal¹s Flash Carbonization (FC) technology in North America,
> Europe, Asia, and Australia and we are always looking for parties with similar
> interests who might be interested in obtaining a license to the technology.
> Our approach has been to grant licensees geographic (and/or field-of-use)
> exclusivity with regard to the use of the technology for making charcoal and a
> worldwide non-exclusive license to sell charcoal made via the FC technology.
> In addition to the rights to make, use, and sell such charcoal in patent
> protected territories, our licensees get access to Dr. Antal, his laboratory,
> and his current research via an apprenticeship in his lab after a formal
> license is executed.  If you are interested in learning more about licensing
> the University of Hawaii¹s Flash Carbonization technology, both for the right
> to make/use/sell charcoal in our patent protected territories and to gain a
> fuller understanding of Dr. Antal¹s work, please feel free to contact me via
> email or through my contact information below.
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> Richard Cox
> 
> Director, Office of Technology Transfer and Economic Development
> 
> University of Hawaii
> 
> 2800 Woodlawn Drive, Suite 280
> 
> Honolulu, HI  96822
> 
> Phone: (808) 539-3817
> 
> Fax: (808) 539-3833
> 
> www.otted.hawaii.edu
>  
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org
> [mailto:terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Nikolaus Foidl
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:49 AM
> To: terrapreta at bioenergylists.org
> Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Terrapreta Digest, Vol 11, Issue 71, message
> 8Greg!
>  
> Dear Greg!
>  
> You are exactly right. Its a cylinder with a pressure bottom and a submarine
> like pressure lid with a quick opening and closing device, a sealing which
> will work in a temperature range of up to 700 degrees Celsius and a feeding
> tube for compressed air and cooling steam and a pressure release valve which
> keeps pressure at a preset value. Additional you need a security pressure
> release valve which is set some bars higher then your working pressure and
> then you are set to work. Make sure that your pressure kiln can withstand at
> least 2,5 times the working pressure under a 1,5 time higher temperature
> then your working temperature so things dont go out of hand. My kiln works
> at 35 bars and 400 to 450 degrees Celsius and has a 2 " wall thickness made
> of an special heat resistant steel. Its not for backyard operation, its kind
> of expensive for small volumes. I will produce some 20 tons of Charcoal a
> day with this Kiln.
>  
>  
> Best regards Nikolaus
>> > 
>> > Message: 8
>> > Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:57:39 -0700
>> > From: "Greg and April" <gregandapril at earthlink.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Terrapreta Digest, Vol 11, Issue 70
>> > To: "Terra Preta" <terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>
>> > Message-ID: <004901c8496a$5fb94ec0$2101a8c0 at GREG>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> > reply-type=original
>> > 
>> > Ok, how does one make a high pressure kiln - I keep having this vision of
> a
>> > metal box with a presser relief valve that opens once it reaches a certain
>> > pre set pressure.
>> > 
>> > Greg H.
>> > 
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Nikolaus Foidl" <nfoidl at desa.com.bo>
>> > To: <terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 14:10
>> > Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Terrapreta Digest, Vol 11, Issue 70
>> > 
>> > 
>>> >> Dear Gerhard!
>>> >> 
>>> >> I only heat the Wood up to 280 degrees Celsius .In my atmospheric kiln
>>> >> this
>>> >> takes some 3 hours. ( Gas outlet temperature from the gas tube). I still
>>> >> don't know how many time it will take on my new high pressure kiln. The
>>> >> torrefied wood is very brittle as most of the hemi cellulose is already
>>> >> gone
>>> >> and the cellulose is partially charred.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
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