[Terrapreta] Soil test and CEC

[lou gold]

Yep, I understand. But it's not that I wanted to understand farmers. In the
choice between nature and culture (including agri-culture) I always ran away
from domestication. I liked the Eskimo saying, "Beware of gifts. They turn
wovles into dogs." But, now the domesticators have become the destroyers, I
simply must find a way to speak with them and come to better understand our
needs. And that "our", I now believe, has to include everyone.

hugs,

lou








On Nov 7, 2007 6:24 PM, Jim Joyner <jimstoytn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sean,
>
> Sorry, you missed my point completely (Thank you Lou, you didn't). If this
> discussion about Terra Preta has any significance to the environment at all,
> getting some good out of it is almost wholly dependent enlisting farmers
> (last I looked, no one else would be interested in making and burying
> charcoal). I can tell you from experience with farmers, they are not going
> to be swayed by how many scientists you can get on the head of a pin,
> hoary-gory stories about flooding and famine or moral allegations as to
> whose fault is all is. It's all about their pocket books. Maybe it
> shouldn't be but that's the way it is.
>
> I said, carbon sequestration is a good bet even if it is not the cause of
> global warming. Reducing atmospheric CO2 is still a good thing. If nothing
> else it takes a variable out of the growing equation. And, if farmers
> world-wide find some reason to bury carbon, we will be asking them or
> someone to bare the economic burden of doing so. If, however, burying carbon
> makes soils better, that burden is considerably reduced if, indeed, there is
> a burden at all..
>
> Farmers are not egghead intellectuals who are going to sit around
> theorizing. They are going to want to know this technology is going to
> improve their soils, get the gov't off their backs, maybe make it easier for
> them to adapt to what ever is coming and give them a better living. So, soil
> improvement is what our knowledge of Terra Preta is all about. Every thing
> else, as far as this farmer can see, is just parlor chatter.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim
>
> From: Sean K. Barry <sean.barry at juno.com>
>   Green House Gases are the bulk of that air pollution you speak of and
> they have a greater impact on temperatures in the troposphere than any other
> mechanism, including current and historical solar activity and cosmic rays
> (which are completely unaffected by solar activity).  The resulting climatic
> changes, including global warming, increased incidence and severity of
> droughts, 3 category 5 hurricanes in one annual seasons, are a direct result
> of human activities which introduce ~6 billion tons of new carbon into the
> atmosphere each year.   This is not an issue which politicians seem willing
> to address (unfortunately).
>
> There are 1500+ scientists, global climatologists, having done thousands
> of research projects and written thousands of peer reviewed articles where
> they are in COMPLETE CONSENSUS that global warming is caused primarily by
> humans.  There has never ANY CRITICISM of even one peer reviewed article,
> written by any scientists in the past ten years, which stated that global
> warming was caused by humans.   This is no longer conjecture.  It has not
> been conjecture in the scientific community for a very long time.
>
> We humans must BEAR the cost of fixing this or we will suffer the
> consequences.  We are the only living beings that can do ANYTHING to change
> the world.  Even if we do something to mitigate the problems in our
> environment, we will have to adapt.  The ball is already rolling.  It's a
> big ball with lots of inertia.  The hysteresis lag in the response of the
> environment to activities that we do is on the order of a 100 years.  We are
> now seeing the effects of what we did 100 years ago.  In 100 years more we
> will still be seeing the effects of what we are doing now, even if we try to
> make amends for it.  We will absolutely be required to adapt before then!
>
> Regards,
>
> SKB
>
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