[Terrapreta] ethanol media blitz

[Sean K. Barry]

Hi Lou,

I do think Terra Preta is a better alternative for "husbandry over the land".  The cornerstones of Terra Preta soils are that they can hold nutrients better than other soils and they are very resilient.  These two could greatly enhance the productivity of agricultural soils used for food production, to be sure.  They could also advance the yields of "energy" crops.

I don't think corn is a good energy crop because of its alternate use as food and because a corn crop requires heavy inputs of fertilizer and water.  Producing alcohol from corn is NOT a "net energy loser", as some would argue either.  The energy out to energy input ratio is 1.3-1.5:1 for corn to ethanol, depending on the processing technique.   Bio-diesel from soybeans is somewhat better at ~3.4:1.  For that reason, I would be surprised as to why a soybean field would be plowed over to grow corn?  There might be other economic drivers though, like demand in local markets.  It is possible to make ethanol from corn without subsides (however not as profitably).

Rather than attack first with "sensational, paranoid, and/or outrageous" language, then a follow up, I would rather just post rational arguments supporting Terra Preta as a better alternative methodology for land use.  Fervent support for our objective, sans the conflict baiting.  The thing to remember about "mega global corporations and their cohorts" is that they DO HAVE THE UPPER HAND ON MEDIA EXPOSURE (the cohorts are the media!).  They don't just lay down when they're attacked in public "blog spots" in the media.

Regards,

SKB
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: lou gold<mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com> 
  To: Sean K. Barry<mailto:sean.barry at juno.com> 
  Cc: naomi luckett<mailto:naomiluckett at gmail.com> ; terrapreta at bioenergylists.org<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org> 
  Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] ethanol media blitz


  Of course, I agree with you in regard to Terra Preta but don't you think is appropriate to be somewhat "sensational, paranoid, and/or and outrageous" about the strategies and tactics of the mega global corporations and their cohorts? And don't you think that TP offers an alternative to all this, a better way? That's the message I would like to see carried around the world. 




  On Nov 30, 2007 4:38 PM, Sean K. Barry <sean.barry at juno.com<mailto:sean.barry at juno.com>> wrote:

    Hi Lou,

    It is somewhat difficult for me to want the Terra Preta message (what I view as valuable) associated with the "sensational, paranoid, and/or and outrageous", just for exposure?  TP doesn't need the stink of that kind of exposure, I don't think.

    Regards,

    SKB
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: lou gold<mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com> 
      To: naomi luckett<mailto:naomiluckett at gmail.com> 
      Cc: terrapreta at bioenergylists.org<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org> 
      Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:50 PM
      Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] ethanol media blitz


      NO DOUBT ABOUT IT FOLKS. 
      THEY ARE TARGETING BRAZIL AND ECO FOLKS IN GENERAL. 
      I THINK THE DETROIT/OIL COMPANY/AGRIBUSINESS ALLIANCE IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CHALLENGED.


      So you folks with networks, etc can now make a story of it. Don't hesitate to spin conspiracies or whatever, or to sound paranoid or outrageous. Sensational is good, it makes it fly around the Internet. And it carries TP along to who knows where. 

      Go for it.

      lou





      On Nov 29, 2007 6:26 PM, lou gold <lou.gold at gmail.com<mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com>> wrote:

        VERY INTERESTING OBSERVATION.

        It feeds into my speculation that they are somehow feeding the ad into Brazil. In the Portuguese style, 29 thousand is written as 29.000.

        That's my guess.

        lou 



        On Nov 29, 2007 6:21 PM, naomi luckett <naomiluckett at gmail.com<mailto:naomiluckett at gmail.com>> wrote:

          Dear Kevin,
          I also went to the site and I believed the point to be the thousand mark??? ie: 29,231 cobs?????
          Maybe I also missed the mark? surely, you couldnt get a Chevy suburban to run 20,000 miles on less than 30 cobs of corn!!!!!
          If so...then sorry TP list...I am moving to Ethanol!!!!!!!!

          Naomi


          On Nov 30, 2007 8:48 AM, Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net<mailto:kchisholm at ca.inter.net>> wrote:

            Dear Lou

            I wento their Cornulator Page, where tehy calculate the cobs of corn
            used and teh BBl's of fuelk saved, using one of their vehiclesd, and 
            knowing the expected annual mileage. See:

            http://www.gm.com/explore/livegreengoyellow/<http://www.gm.com/explore/livegreengoyellow/>


            For 20,000 miles in a Suburban, I'd save 42 BBL Oil, and would use 29.3
            cobs of corn. That seems like an excessively huge savings claim.  That
            is trhe equivalent to 1 BBl of oul saved for each cob of corn nused to
            make ethanol.

            This doesn't seem to hang together. Anyone have an explanation? 

            Best wishes,

            Kevin





            lou gold wrote:
            > Hi Folks,
            >
            > General Motors just launched a media blitz for it's new
            > flexfuel guzzling pick-up.
            > http://www.gm.com/explore/livegreengoyellow/<http://www.gm.com/explore/livegreengoyellow/>
            >
            > Corn ethanol was obviously chosen for the US market.
            > The yellow and green colors are an appeal to Brazil
            > (the national flag and main futebol colors). And the 
            > 4-door style is the one seen most commonly in Amazonia
            > (and probably other rainforest regions).
            >
            > This ad is now appearing at eco websites like
            > EcoWorld where there are FOUR (4) button 
            > placements on the page of the terra preta post
            > http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2007/11/27/terra-preta/ <http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2007/11/27/terra-preta/>
            >
            > and at Mongabay (the leading world rainforest info site) 
            > http://news.mongabay.com/2007/1127-sekala_interview.html<http://news.mongabay.com/2007/1127-sekala_interview.html>
            > < http://news.mongabay.com/2007/1127-sekala_interview.html<http://news.mongabay.com/2007/1127-sekala_interview.html>>
            >
            > WE NEED A GRAND STRATEGY TO DEAL WITH THIS
            >
            > THE FUEL FOLKS HAVE A BIG JUMP ON THE SOIL SAVERS
            >
            >
            >
            > 
            >
            >
            >

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