[Terrapreta] ethanol media blitz

[lou gold]

And now from the mainstream media....

UPDATE:

Ethanol Craze Cools as Doubts Multiply
    By Lauren Etter
    The Wall Street Journal
http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/112807EC.shtml

Is this the reason for the GM ad blitz ?????

On Nov 30, 2007 5:26 PM, lou gold <lou.gold at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, so much for "imagined possiblitities". You can read the actual
> exchange between Ed Ring and myself here: http://lougold.blogspot.com/2007/11/do-visionshare-and-ecoworld-see-world.html
>
>
> As you can see, I play it out with a rather reasoned style. However, if
> someone else is good at a more sensational "tabloid approach", I would have
> no objections. It's a big world out there. We need to reach all of it and
> not just the ones who discourse as we do.
>
> hugs,
>
> lou
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2007 5:16 PM, Sean K. Barry <sean.barry at juno.com> wrote:
>
> >  Hi Lou,
> >
> > I do think Terra Preta is a better alternative for "husbandry over the
> > land".  The cornerstones of Terra Preta soils are that they can hold
> > nutrients better than other soils and they are very resilient.  These two
> > could greatly enhance the productivity of agricultural soils used for food
> > production, to be sure.  They could also advance the yields of "energy"
> > crops.
> >
> > I don't think corn is a good energy crop because of its alternate use as
> > food and because a corn crop requires heavy inputs of fertilizer and water.
> > Producing alcohol from corn is NOT a "net energy loser", as some would argue
> > either.  The energy out to energy input ratio is 1.3-1.5:1 for corn to
> > ethanol, depending on the processing technique.   Bio-diesel from soybeans
> > is somewhat better at ~3.4:1.  For that reason, I would be surprised as to
> > why a soybean field would be plowed over to grow corn?  There might be other
> > economic drivers though, like demand in local markets.  It is possible to
> > make ethanol from corn without subsides (however not as profitably).
> >
> > Rather than attack first with "sensational, paranoid, and/or outrageous"
> > language, then a follow up, I would rather just post rational arguments
> > supporting Terra Preta as a better alternative methodology for land use.
> > Fervent support for our objective, sans the conflict baiting.  The thing to
> > remember about "mega global corporations and their cohorts" is that they DO
> > HAVE THE UPPER HAND ON MEDIA EXPOSURE (the cohorts are the media!).  They
> > don't just lay down when they're attacked in public "blog spots" in the
> > media.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > SKB
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* lou gold <lou.gold at gmail.com>
> > *To:* Sean K. Barry <sean.barry at juno.com>
> > *Cc:* naomi luckett <naomiluckett at gmail.com> ;
> > terrapreta at bioenergylists.org
> > *Sent:* Friday, November 30, 2007 12:46 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] ethanol media blitz
> >
> > Of course, I agree with you in regard to Terra Preta but don't you think
> > is appropriate to be somewhat "sensational, paranoid, and/or and outrageous"
> > about the strategies and tactics of the mega global corporations and their
> > cohorts? And don't you think that TP offers an alternative to all this, a
> > better way? That's the message I would like to see carried around the world.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 30, 2007 4:38 PM, Sean K. Barry <sean.barry at juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > >  Hi Lou,
> > >
> > > It is somewhat difficult for me to want the Terra Preta message (what
> > > I view as valuable) associated with the "sensational, paranoid, and/or and
> > > outrageous", just for exposure?  TP doesn't need the stink of that kind of
> > > exposure, I don't think.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > SKB
> > >
> > >  ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* lou gold <lou.gold at gmail.com>
> > > *To:* naomi luckett <naomiluckett at gmail.com>
> > > *Cc:* terrapreta at bioenergylists.org
> > >  *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:50 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] ethanol media blitz
> > >
> > >  NO DOUBT ABOUT IT FOLKS.
> > > THEY ARE TARGETING BRAZIL AND ECO FOLKS IN GENERAL.
> > > I THINK THE DETROIT/OIL COMPANY/AGRIBUSINESS ALLIANCE IS SOMETHING
> > > THAT CAN BE CHALLENGED.
> > >
> > >
> > > So you folks with networks, etc can now make a story of it. Don't
> > > hesitate to spin conspiracies or whatever, or to sound paranoid or
> > > outrageous. Sensational is good, it makes it fly around the Internet. And it
> > > carries TP along to who knows where.
> > >
> > > Go for it.
> > >
> > > lou
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 29, 2007 6:26 PM, lou gold <lou.gold at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > VERY INTERESTING OBSERVATION.
> > > >
> > > > It feeds into my speculation that they are somehow feeding the ad
> > > > into Brazil. In the Portuguese style, 29 thousand is written as
> > > > 29.000.
> > > >
> > > > That's my guess.
> > > >
> > > > lou
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 29, 2007 6:21 PM, naomi luckett <naomiluckett at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear Kevin,
> > > > > I also went to the site and I believed the point to be the
> > > > > thousand mark??? ie: 29,231 cobs?????
> > > > > Maybe I also missed the mark? surely, you couldnt get a Chevy
> > > > > suburban to run 20,000 miles on less than 30 cobs of corn!!!!!
> > > > > If so...then sorry TP list...I am moving to Ethanol!!!!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Naomi
> > > > >
> > > > >   On Nov 30, 2007 8:48 AM, Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Lou
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wento their Cornulator Page, where tehy calculate the cobs of
> > > > > > corn
> > > > > > used and teh BBl's of fuelk saved, using one of their vehiclesd,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > knowing the expected annual mileage. See:
> > > > > > http://www.gm.com/explore/livegreengoyellow/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For 20,000 miles in a Suburban, I'd save 42 BBL Oil, and would
> > > > > > use 29.3
> > > > > > cobs of corn. That seems like an excessively huge savings claim.
> > > > > >  That
> > > > > > is trhe equivalent to 1 BBl of oul saved for each cob of corn
> > > > > > nused to
> > > > > > make ethanol.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This doesn't seem to hang together. Anyone have an explanation?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kevin
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > lou gold wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > General Motors just launched a media blitz for it's new
> > > > > > > flexfuel guzzling pick-up.
> > > > > > > http://www.gm.com/explore/livegreengoyellow/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Corn ethanol was obviously chosen for the US market.
> > > > > > > The yellow and green colors are an appeal to Brazil
> > > > > > > (the national flag and main futebol colors). And the
> > > > > > > 4-door style is the one seen most commonly in Amazonia
> > > > > > > (and probably other rainforest regions).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This ad is now appearing at eco websites like
> > > > > > > EcoWorld where there are FOUR (4) button
> > > > > > > placements on the page of the terra preta post
> > > > > > > http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2007/11/27/terra-preta/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > and at Mongabay (the leading world rainforest info site)
> > > > > > > http://news.mongabay.com/2007/1127-sekala_interview.html
> > > > > > > < http://news.mongabay.com/2007/1127-sekala_interview.html>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > WE NEED A GRAND STRATEGY TO DEAL WITH THIS
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > THE FUEL FOLKS HAVE A BIG JUMP ON THE SOIL SAVERS
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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