[Terrapreta] Biochar Surprise
Sean K. Barry
sean.barry at juno.com
Mon Oct 1 23:49:44 EDT 2007
Hi David,
I looked up "flux field anatomy" on Wikipedia.org and Google.com = no hits? Is there some reason I need to believe unheard of "science" is more valid than discussed, documented, canonical science found in lots of various literary sources? What field of academic "science" is "flux field anatomy" studied in? Perhaps you would provide me links to any sources that would describe at all what you are talking about in any "scientific" terms that would make sense to me?
Watch carefully what this "lad" does with his charcoal imbued garden. Maybe he would conduct some valid experiments; with controls, and reasonable tests that could validate any hypothetical aspects of the Terre Preta phenomenon? Maybe he might just not add sea slat, sea minerals or any other amendments to some of the areas that he has put charcoal into, so that he might be able to see what charcoal alone can and/or cannot do? Maybe he would be referred by you to the 'terrapreta' list, so he could ask for some help in developing some useful experiments on this new garden plot?
Thanks for the story.
Best Regards,
SKB
----- Original Message -----
From: David Yarrow<mailto:dyarrow at nycap.rr.com>
To: terrapreta at bioenergylists.org<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:34 PM
Subject: [Terrapreta] Biochar Surprise
i had a delightful surprise saturday morning. at 8:30am, i met a dark-eyed
young lad from the albany free school, and his younger but much bigger
brother. he took me east of troy, ny, on rte. 2 -- up on the rounded domes
of dense crystalline taconic granite -- to his 70 acre homestead. i located
a well to drill near the timber frame, strawbale house he will build next
spring. the land had been logged a few years earlier, with numerous
coppiced trees and young sapling sprouting from the butchered woodland.
i identified six sub-surface springs feeding a small pond caught in a
shallow basin in the granite massif. on the northwest, several stout, older
white pine stood guard. i was startled to see at the center of the pond,
perched on a stone pedestal , a giant granite rhombus -- a tilted cube --
perhaps 7-feet on each edge. the visual effect itself is dramatic,
eye-capturing. but the flux field anatomy at and around this massive stone
monument suggests a device to capture charge, and store energy in water --
especially its placement in a granite water bowl.
i found two other springs at the top of the steep-sloped field below the
pond basin. but the real delight was when we crossed the gutter draining
water from the pond, and re-entered the first field below the lad's house
site. there, the lad had tilled up an 8x50 rectangle of light brown soil --
his first effort to turn meadow grasses into garden bed. in this bright
cultivated rectangle, in dark visual contrast, were two 3x46 foot black
strips.
inspection revealed soil plots black from charcoal. earlier, i had
explained to the lad how terra preta engenders charcoal-based microbial
reefs in soil, while pyrolysis of photosynthetic biomass yields a variety of
biofuels, and charcoal. i had even suggested he might try making a barrel
or pile of charcoal himself this fall. now, here was a demonstration of this
strategy. excited to see what i had earlier described, i said at the very
least, his first garden bed will warm up faster in the spring, and asked
where he got so much charcoal.
he pointed to a brush pile in the middle of the field, at the top of the
slope. tops of perhaps two trees had been stripped and tossed in a pile.
under a thin tangle of limbs and leaves was a thick layer of soil and
charcoal -- residue from burning an even larger pile a year earlier -- final
resting place for trash trees and tops removed in logging operations a few
years earlier -- northeast US version of typical slash-and-burn forestry.
in the forest's funeral pyre, most of the tree minerals were oxidized into
gas and ash, and washed away in a few seasons of rain and snow.
but some of the wood -- incompletely burned -- survived as charcoal.
without scratching around much, i could see the lad was blessed with an
abundant starter supply of charcoal. very likely high quality, high
density, low temperature, hardwood biochar. while in two or three years
much of the nutrient-rich VOM residue of charring in the bonfire has leached
from the char, some of these organic enrichments are still active in the
soil around the char.
i left many pages of photocopies for the lad to study beyond the terra
preta, rockdust and sea mineral links on my website. i left feeling hopeful
that quietly, across america, many other young people are pursuing a similar
path into the future. returning to land, soil and homestead. perhaps in
their humble choices lies the real future and destiny of america.
David Yarrow
"If yer not forest, yer against us."
Turtle EyeLand Sanctuary
44 Gilligan Road, East Greenbush, NY 12061
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www.SeaAgri.com<http://www.seaagri.com/>
"Happiness can be found even in the darkest of times,
if one only remembers to turn on the light."
-Albus Dumbledore
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Klein" <arclein at yahoo.com<mailto:arclein at yahoo.com>>
To: "terra preta" <terrapreta at bioenergylists.org<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Biochar Packing Strategies
>
>
> Hi Sean
>
> Let us reply line by line to your concerns.
>
> --- "Sean K. Barry" <sean.barry at juno.com<mailto:sean.barry at juno.com>> wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>>
>> Everything you say is conjecture. For you to say
>> "... as proven by pollen analysis" is bullshit! You
>
> science is advanced by the process of testable
> conjecture, also known as hypothesis.
>
> I suggest that you use google scholar to run down the
> appropriate abstracts on corn pollen.
>
>> know this too. Open air burning in a dirt pile,
>> with no flames is absolutely the worst way to make
>> charcoal from any biomass. Without flame, the pile
>> will conservatively exhaust 3% of the carbon from
>> the biomass as Methane-CH4 gas. I know you might
>> not listen to this, because you don't give a shit
>> about the chemistry or the scientific principles
>> behind it, but 3% CH4 is more of a detriment to the
>> atmosphere, than the benefit if even all of the rest
>> of the biomass carbon was left in the charcoal.
>> That would not occur, either, because the dirt wall
>> kiln will allow in more air than you think and the
>> much of the biomass carbon will burn completely into
>> CO2.
>>
>
> Some remarkable assertions on your part and obviously
> the direct impact will have to be evaluated.
>
> In the meantime:
>
> 1 The methane will burn preferentially, and if not
> consumed within the pile will escape into the
> atmosphere and rise. The best source of heat will be
> the methane.
>
> 2 The heavier molecules will tend to be captured in
> the dirt shell as they would in a forest fire or slash
> and burn operation. If they do not burn.
>
>
>
>> Why don't you listen, read, and learn something,
>> rather than spout off about how everyone agrees with
>> your grand plan and your analysis? I don't agree!
>> Lots or people on this 'terrpreta' list don't agree
>> with you. You keep saying we do on your stupid
>> blog. That is a total LIE! Quit doing that!
>>
>
> At the time I made any such comment, this was a very
> sleepy group and you had not weighed in. And you are
> still the only person who has chosen to not agree so
> far.
>
> I did get this group covered on jerry pournelle's site
> and the traffic on this site immediately took of. I
> will not claim the direct credit as it may be purely
> coincidental.
>
>
>> Look here:
>>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane%3Chttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane>>
>> ... It says (and this is not the only source which
>> says this):
>>
>> "Methane in the Earth's atmosphere is an important
>> greenhouse gas with a global warming potential of 25
>> over a 100 year period. This means that a 1 tonne
>> methane emission will have 25 times the impact on
>> temperature of a 1 tonne carbon dioxide emission
>> during the following 100 years."
>>
>
> The methane issue that has got you so excited is
> rubbish.
>
> Grade 11 chemistry teaches us that every square foot
> of soil is producing biological methane, which mother
> nature is obviously dealing with. The balance heads
> directly to the troposphere outside the circulating
> system of our working atmosphere.
>
> The principal source of human produced methane is a by
> product of forest fires and slash and burn agriculture
> and some enhanced biological production(rice paddies.
>
> Then we have natural gas which we burn.
>
> All leakage is either quickly consumed or heads for
> the troposphere.
>
> A biochar production protocol that primarily relies on
> the burning of produced methane and other volatiles,
> while generally minimizing the combustion of carbon is
> our objective.
>
> The described method at least promises to do the best
> job at the uncapitalized agricultural level currently
> enjoyed by perhaps half the global population
>
>
>
>
>> What you propose is a seriously stupid idea, Robert!
>> I guarantee you, that if you ever try to do this or
>> promote this ludicrous plan, the the Environmental
>> Pollution Control Agency (EPA) will immediately show
>> up and levy you with a heavy fine. It is illegal in
>> every state in the USA to knowingly release
>> Methane-CH4 gas. Your dirt-mound, root ball walled
>> kiln, will be a ecological disaster, if you enact it
>> on any large scale. You CANNOT do this. You should
>> stop promoting this idea. It is senseless and
>> dangerously bad for the environment.
>>
>
> Right now you are talking about EPA rules which impact
> normally on non agricultural industrial processes.
> And considering the advent of factory farms and their
> incredible biological waste problems, I wonder what
> you are talking about. Of course it needs to be
> studied, but the promise is a lot greater than you
> perhaps comprehend. And an agency that permits the
> spraying of raw manure on open fields does not warm my
> heart(if that is their fault)
>
>
>> At 'terrepreta', we do want to develop clean ways to
>> make charcoal from the biomass of agricultural waste
>> in agricultural fields.
>> This plan of yours does not accomplish that
>> objective. Cease promoting this (would you please?)
>> and join us in developing some other viably workable
>> methods.
>
> The only clean way of producing charcoal is to use a
> double lung incinerator that will still be very costly
> to the American farmer.
>
> Every other method is going to produce likely as much
> methane. And hauling biomass twenty miles by truck is
> very expensive. A solution that costs hundreds of
> dollars per acre will never be implemented here let
> alone in Indonesia.
>
> I have come back to the possibility of open field
> earthen kilns even in the industrial world because the
> transportation problem is totally minimized and the
> earthen wall is likely going to surprise us in terms
> of pollution abatement. You must agree that we need
> to find out.
>
> It is still the only practical way that anyone has
> proposed to date to achieve the end goal accomplished
> long ago. The fact that a seasons crop of corn will
> produce a ton of biochar compares very favorably with
> the ton of manure used by the traditional mixed
> farmer.
>
> Do you have a better way of doing this?
>
>
> my regards
>
> bob
>
>> SKB
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Robert Klein<mailto:arclein at yahoo.com<mailto:arclein at yahoo.com>>
>> To:
>>
> terrapreta at bioenergylists.org<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org%3Cmailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>>
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:38 PM
>> Subject: [Terrapreta] Biochar Packing Strategies
>>
>>
>>
>> In my last post,
>>
>>
>>
> http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/09/developing-biochar-protocols.html<http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/09/developing-biochar-protocols.html<http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/09/developing-biochar-protocols.html%3Chttp://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/09/developing-biochar-protocols.html>>
>>
>> we arrived at the conclusion that the one key crop
>> that can make biochar production feasible for
>> agriculture is corn. It is also apparent that a
>> naturally built stack without much work will
>> produce
>> some biochar, certainly enough for the owner to
>> recognize the value of the product and to want to
>> improve his efficiency.
>>
>> The first need is to develop an earthen kiln
>> strategy
>> that can hugely increase production. shoveling
>> dirt is
>> an option, but likely very unsatisfactory,
>> difficult
>> to control during the burn, and very labor
>> intensive.
>> Digging a pit can perhaps help improve this
>> situation
>> and may have been a viable option. however, the
>> average pit needs to contain ten tons of material
>> and
>> a typical five acre field will need several pits.
>> This
>> requires an incredible amount of additional labor
>> to
>> execute properly. So although suitable for pottery
>> making, It is a much less practical approach with
>> field operations. And we still have to pay
>> attention
>> to packing.
>>
>> This is were my understanding of the nature of the
>> corn root ball led me to the conclusion that much
>> more
>> sophisticated packing strategies were available to
>> the
>> farmer that hugely lowered the labor needed to
>> move
>> dirt. The corn root ball consists of a poorly
>> rooted
>> flat disc sitting on the top of the soil.
>> Penetration
>> is less than three inches, while the disc itself
>> is
>> several inches across. It is easily lifted in most
>> soils by the simple expedient of grabbing the
>> stalk
>> and pulling.
>>
>> We suddenly have a packable source of biochar with
>> its
>> own contribution to the earthen wall attached.
>> What
>> was the farmer waiting for? The remaining question
>> is
>> how best to pack the stalks and to simultaneously
>> build the outer wall of the earthen kiln. So far I
>> have imagined several packing strategies that
>> could
>> work, although they all have to be tested.
>>
>> But I think that we can all agree that a stalk of
>> biomass with a brick attached is a great start. As
>> good as a box of Leggo.
>>
>> I see two strategies. One in which a windrow is
>> build
>> with one side forming an earthen wall. Remember
>> that
>> in order to achieve tight packing it will be
>> necessary
>> to overlap the root balls at least three deep
>> creating
>> a mud wall several inches thick. They may also
>> have
>> packed other material among the stalks to improve
>> packing. I think that Cassava is particularly
>> suitable.
>>
>> A second windrow can then be build against the
>> first
>> windrow on the non walled side. This then still
>> leaves
>> you with the task of covering the exposed stalks
>> with
>> dirt but primarily unto a flat surface. Any type
>> of
>> variation of this packing approach should work
>> very
>> well.
>>
>> The second strategy is to lay out a 12X12 square
>> and
>> lay in packed layers at right angels to each other
>> with the earthen wall on the outside. We end up
>> with a
>> well packed interior and an outside earthen wall
>> perhaps several feet high completely surrounding
>> the
>> material.. A thin layer of dirt on the top of this
>> stack will then close the kiln.
>>
>> This is obviously the most attractive approach
>> provided the packing ratio can be maintained.
>>
>> In all cases, the burn is initiated by carrying an
>> earthenware platter (unfired) full of glowing
>> coals
>> unto the top of the heap, dumping them unto the
>> stalks
>> and then tipping the platter on top of the coals
>> as a
>> shield, and then covering it all with dirt. A crew
>> then watches the heap for breakouts, in order to
>> throw
>> extra dirt as needed.
>>
>> Observe that we have minimized the labor input
>> throughout. A lot of extra time will be spent of
>> getting the packing right, but that is not
>> onerous.
>> Building a layer of dirt onto the top of the 12X12
>> heap will move perhaps a ton of dirt which will
>> mix
>>
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