[Terrapreta] carbon sequestration but where is TP?

[Edward Someus]

Dear Brian, 

Thank you for your straight view on  TP. You have listed interesting aspects
for brainstorming, however I suggest the issue is far more complex than to
make conclusions.

Could you pls help us to identify credible LifeCycle analysis report which
is providing scientific and technical evidence that most char systems doesn
t seem to offer any real advantage overall? 

Pls indicate which studies stating conclusion that char systems doesn't seem
to offer any real advantage overall. 

Thank you. 

 

Sincerely yours: Edward Someus (environmental engineer)
Terra Humana Clean Technology Engineering Ltd. 
(ISO 9001 and ISO 14001 certified organization for scientific research,
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-------Original Message-------
 
From: Brian Hans
Date: 2007.10.10. 17:17:31
To: Terrapreta at bioenergylists.org
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] carbon sequestration but where is TP?
 
If I could be so bold as to offer a few reasons;
 
As I and others have pointed out, the LifeCycle analysis of most char
systems doesnt seem to offer any real advantage overall. 
 
Additionally, TP is a relatively new science and as the banter on this site
shows, is still pretty thin in real data. Example is show me a study where
we can see the charcoal we make now will remain charcoal in the soil for 100
+ years... ?  
 
Lastly and likely most importantly, there are no major corp's pushing char
because they dont see economic models in a distributive productionlike char
in the fields would likely be. Its much easier to think how someone is going
to make $ on a $200m project injecting CO2 into a well from a coal plant
than a whole bunch of farmers making charcoal out of stumps and corn cobs...
and unfortunately $ talks. 
 
On a bright note...I do see this worm starting to turn, the word is getting
out. The more data we have (ground truth), the louder the voice becomes.
Also, the economy of CO2 is still in its infancy, its still to fully mature.

 
The group needs to remember that even tho the technology is 1000's of years
old, we are all still early adopters. 
 
Brian Hans
 
 
 


Duane Pendergast <still.thinking at computare.org> wrote:
Michael,
 
I searched through the UNFCCC’s 2001 and 2007 IPCC reports on mitigation and
found no mention of Terra Preta or char. They come close in the 2007 report
by talking about burning biomass for energy, and capturing and sequestering
the carbon dioxide. It’s not too much of a leap of imagination to go to the
concept of partial combustion with the production of char – but it seems to
be taking a long time. A cynic might think the UN and the IPCC are not
interested in techniques that might work - and also produce side benefits
which might be more important than their original goal to manage atmospheric
carbon dioxide.
 
Duane
 
-----Original Message-----
From: terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org
[mailto:terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Michael Bailes
Sent: October 9, 2007 10:25 PM
To: Terrapreta
Subject: [Terrapreta] carbon sequestration but where is TP?
 
 
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  Michael the Archangel

"You can fix all the world's problems in a garden. . . . 
Most people don't know that"
FROM 
http://www.blog.thesietch.org/wp-content/permaculture.swf 
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