[Terrapreta] FW: Publications

[Nikolaus Foidl]

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From: "Sean K. Barry" <sean.barry at juno.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:47:57 -0500
To: Nikolaus Foidl <nfoidl at desa.com.bo>
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Publications

Hi Nikolaus,
 
You do make your point very well.  I'm inclined to agree with the altruistic
philosophy of it too.  You are absolutely right that this Global Climate
Change problem is already a "dire" situation.  I think it is soon to get
very "dire" for some.  An "open source" and cooperative collaboration may be
are only chance at developing what we need to to stem this problem.
 
My comment to you in the past post was more an acknowledgement of things the
way things are.  It is far from ideal, but it is the reality, I think.
Private commercial interests tend to take priority over public ones, when it
comes to data which can lead to commercially viable products.  I don't
necessarily like that, or want to accept it, but I do recognize it.
 
Which trumps?  "He who has the gold rules" or "Let's all pitch in and solve
this together, so we don't become extinct."?
 
Regards,
 
SKB
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> ----- Original Message -----
>  
> From: Nikolaus Foidl <mailto:nfoidl at desa.com.bo>
>  
> To: Sean K. Barry <mailto:sean.barry at juno.com>
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> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:53  AM
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> Subject: Re: [Terrapreta]  Publications
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> 
> Dear Sean!
> 
> I was talking about scientific  literature made with scientific rigor where 99
> % of the money involved is  public money. I myself am publishing or revealing
> every bit of information I  discover and somebody wants to know because
> progress out of the mess we are in  at the moment can only be achieved when we
> stop thinking like little petty  criminals trying to get some money from an
> idea others did not have still now.  That's as well the reason I stopped doing
> patents. Those which I did not sell  in time I render public and so change
> into to prior known art. We are at the  brink of auto destruction and still
> there are most of the people trying to  make a living during the extinction
> keeping maybe important information for  mankind sequestered until somebody
> pays a ransom. Now as mentioned before the  worst is that public good is sold
> again by private companies keeping really  important information out of the
> hands of the public. That's a crime seen from  several points of view, legally
> because these companies are dealing with  stolen goods, morally because these
> information's could save huge amount of  additional investment to get those
> information done again and again( drain on  scares resources all over the
> world which could have been used better)  ethically because depriving you of
> your own earned and paid goods may  accelerate the auto destruction you wanted
> to avoid by investing public (  yours) money in investigation. A society is a
> whole endeavor which you can not  divide in two separate entities which are
> not connected but where one can pray  unpunished on the other. ( sorry my
> English is not good enough to go into  philosophical details, but i hope i
> made my point)
> 
> Best regards  Nikolaus
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/6/07 9:33 PM, "Sean K. Barry"  <sean.barry at juno.com> wrote:
> 
>  
>> Hi Mr. Foidl (Nikolaus),
>>  
>> Not all  contributors are paid by public monies.  Therefore, these people may
>> want to protect some of their "private work".
>> It is far more than  disheartening for a private developer to work long and
>> hard on development  of a set of valuable experimental data or techniques,
>> privately, then to  have it disclosed in a public forum, and the developer
>> lose his rights to  the commercial development of the ideas found in the
>> research.  This is  even hard for institutions to give up to the public.
>> Capitalists'  raiding of patentable ideas from all kinds of places really
>> does  occur.
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> SKB
>>  
>>  
>>  
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>  
>>> From: Nikolaus Foidl <mailto:nfoidl at desa.com.bo>
>>>  
>>> To: Terrapreta at bioenergylists.org
>>>  
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:03   AM
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>>> Subject: [Terrapreta]  Publications
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Dear All!
>>> 
>>> In the ongoing discussion   there we miss  an important point, most of the
>>> information  generated today is paid by  public money in form of  labs,
>>> salaries, facilities to do the research and  so on.  Therefore the obtained
>>> information and data should be public as   well. Now as some greedy
>>> companies
>>> like Elsevier and others or  the same  universities living mostly on public
>>> money have high  jacked the field of  information and sequestered the public
>>> good  to turn it into private income.  Its unconceivable to pay for an
>>> article
>>> 30 to 40 US$ again although you  already paid with your  taxes this product
>>> before.
>>> An average literature  search is at  least 500 to 800 articles( the most
>>> relevant on the subject  you  are investigating) and paying again for every
>>> article this would be a   drain of 25.000 to 30.000 US$ per search. I
>>> strongly
>>> disagree  with this  corrupt praxis of illicit enrichment selling public
>>> good.
>>> This sequestering  of public good is a blow against  development in science
>>> because most  interested people don't have  the recourses to get the  needed
>>> information.
>>> Shouldn't we  fight this praxis of steeling public  good?
>>> Best regards Nikolaus   Foidl
>>> 
>>> 
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