[Terrapreta] indigenous history and mind

[Sean K. Barry]

Hi David,

You are absolutely right, in terms of numbers of people who perished.  However, the multitudinous deaths of the Pre-Columbian indigenous American people were not primarily through armed conflict, enslavement, or butchery, at the hands of conquistadors.  Their deaths were primarily due to the spread of infectious disease among them.  Diseases which, yes, had been brought to the Americas by Europeans.  It is hard to equate a pandemic with the outright evil acts of what occurred in the Holocost.

I inclined to agree that the acts of the United States of America now, are worse than those of the original American colonists or the European conquests.

Regards,

SKB

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Yarrow<mailto:dyarrow at nycap.rr.com> 
  To: terrapreta at bioenergylists.org<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org> 
  Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] indigenous history and mind


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Sean K. Barry<mailto:sean.barry at juno.com> 
    To: terrapretmaga<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org> 
    Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:43 PM
    Subject: [Terrapreta] Fw: Biochar Packing Strategies

    President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran visited Columbia University and made a speech calling into question whether the German "ancients", (circa 1941-1946 AD) were trying to use Jewish people as the predominant feedstock for making Terra Preta in Poland and Austria.

    The President of Columbia University, Lee Bollinger, did not like Ahmadinejad's view that the Holocost did not "really" happen.  He does not like Ahmadinejad's views on modern day Israel either.  He protested that the man came to a USA University in New York State and said the things he said to an audience WHO DOES NOT AGREE WITH Ahmadinejad's views.  Do you blame him?  Do YOU think the Holocost is a fable or an unproven hypothesis?

    Archeaological evidence in Poland and Austria will show unequivocally that the German Military, lead by Adolf Hitler, did indeed incinerate PEOPLE and bury their charred remains into the ground.  They did not completely burn the Jewish people, because it wasted fuel.  They were inflamed until they were charred only (low temperature, lots of volatiles).
  a far greater holocaust happened when european monarchies, empires and nation-states discovered america.  ten times 6 million indigenous people vanished in a few decades.  but americans don't recognize, memorize or discuss the ugly conquest of a continent.

  thursday at onondaga lake, i listened to a young gwitchen man describe his people's conquest, enslavement and exploitation by russian fur hunters.  now, as sea ice disappears, and as seals, krill, polar bears, whales vanish, he wonders where are the humans to bless and honor a sacred place.

  modern americans just don't get it.   that we are all living in a war zone -- a war we won.   that europeans invaded and overran america in two centuries.  that we won that war -- currently, thus far -- is temporary in a millennial view of history.  justice waits -- and we are at a turning point.  how many human cultures have memory older than 4000 years?

  just because the war ended over 200 years ago doesn't change the karma and calamity held as energy, emotion and memory in the earth.  justice still waits to be done.  blindly, eternally.  now is the time we can find ways to release these old and ancient wounds -- discharge this hurt and injury held in history, memory and body.

  i don't understand this ahmadinejad from tehran.  i've never heard a long communication with him.  no data; no judgement.  but he is courageous to come here and speak in public, listen to the public, answer questions from the public.  to step into the eye of his nation's and people's most poweful and threatening enemy, and try to start a bit of conversation.  smiling,

  he certainly looks much smarter than george bush, whose brain is overloaded with cowboy mythology and last century's history.  at least he smiles.  and he laughs.  he sees imperfections, flaws and fractures in america's hollywood hype self image.  but he can be amused rather than angry at americans belligerent, insitent, challenging, threatening, humiliating, undignified, and 
  undiplomatic behavior.  opposite of patient, respectful communication.

  but i know americans.  how they take.  how they use.  and manipulate.  intimidate.  dominate.  eliminate.

  how most americans have minimal mindfulness of nature, all our relations, of mother earth.  the result is mindless accelerating disruption and destruction of the web of life.

  and i know that americans kill certain ideas as sure as they hunted and poisoned animal species to the brink and over into extinction.

  and i know this connection to the holy land at the east end of the mediterranean sea has a history that stretches beyond memory into 12,000 years of lost history.  including stories about star visitors who appear at times.   such as sky woman, who was put on great turtle's back in native american, chinese and hindu mythology.

  i have seen clear indications that pre-columbian american cultures had knowledge of complex time cycles, multi-dimensional mathematics, dragons, and abilities to operate in collective intuitive mind meld with each other and nature.  america, china and india.  three ancient roots of human culture.

  "culture" is a keyword, with multiple scales and levels of implication.  most of all, terra preta is a culture -- complex, biological community performing daily dances of ceremony and ritual -- in this case, micro-organisms -- the least of all creation.  terra preta starts renewing that complex culture and community in soil.

  destruction of soil will be our ultimate ruin.  the restoration and renewal of soil is the first great work humans have to accomplish on the path to a new cycle of civilization and common sense.

  just some musings bucketed up from deeper whispers in my soul on this full moon night.

  David Yarrow
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