[Terrapreta] Carbon tax

[lou gold]

sorry -- meant to say "off the map"

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:04 PM, lou gold <lou.gold at gmail.com> wrote:

> very interesting analysis jim and i believe that you have identified
> another way. a way that could be good.
>
> but i wonder how you would sell it to a public that thinks the old ways
> are over the map -- this would include both old common law notions and
> indian eco-sensibilities. i still think that carbon sequestration combined
> with soil abundance to 'solve' hunger and GW is the most powerful sell.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Jim Joyner <jimstoy at dtccom.net> wrote:
>
> > If it weren't already obvious, I'm not keen on gov't solutions but, ya
> > know, there is a simpler way of doing this -- and, at least in US, could
> > have been done through equitable court action before all the states made
> > it illegal bring class actions suits for environmental issues. This is
> > before we institutionalized politics into the environment with the EPA.
> >
> > There was a time in both statute and common law that if someone changed
> > (not unnecessarily damaged, just changed) my/our property or any those
> > common things we all need like air and water, I/we could bring suit to
> > have the change-or make things as they were -- regardless of damage.
> >
> > For example, instead of jumping through all these hoops in making laws
> > that will create artificial markets, create bureaucracies and,
> > invariably, not treat someone fairly, just make the change-or correct
> > the changes made. Like, if you take some carbon out of the ground or
> > bring it into the country, you have to put it back in the ground (or pay
> > to do so).
> >
> > One obvious industry to spring up over night would be the making of
> > charcoal that is to be buried. If it turns that TP can revolutionize
> > agriculture, so much the better. If not someone just has to pay to bury
> > it, period.
> >
> > Yes, this will drive up the price of petro products, and only the most
> > valuable of those products will continue to be used. But, what is so
> > equitable about doing this (the way it was done for centuries in equity)
> > is that everyone is then paying (not subsidizing) the real cost of what
> > they are using, i.e., they are paying the cost to keep environment they
> > way it was. And, we won't be a the mercy of some beaucrat or regulatory
> > agency that is in businesses back pocket (I think they call them
> > "captured agencies -- like the FDA, FTC, SEC . . .)
> >
> > Notice too, this completely avoids the issue and arguments about what
> > damage is being done to whom and even how it's being done. Whether GW is
> > anthropogenic is not longer an issue. It simply protects a long used
> > principle that each of us has the right to peaceful (none polluting) use
> > of our environment. (None of this should imply, however, that
> > environmental damage won't happen and shouldn't be cured.)
> >
> > This may seem academic. Maybe it is because using such concepts as
> > inalienable rights seems pretty passe these days. It is also not likely
> > that bureaucracies will cede power to the courts voluntarily, but if
> > Legislatures were seized with real demand for such action, it would act
> > very much like a gigantic class action suit.
> >
> > Might not seem like an easy thing to do, but neither will implementing a
> > carbon credits scheme -- which can have the unwholesome effect of
> > actually casing more carbon to be generated above ground so it can be
> > sequestered. That has happened with some other gases like freon.
> >
> > Jut looking for a better way.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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