[Terrapreta] Ice-age anyone?

[Sean K. Barry]

Hi Ron, Kurt, et. al,

Thanks very much, Ron, for doing the research to make this post.  The evidence from two of Phil's sources directly contradicts what he says and the other two ARE NOT REPORTING annual global average temperatures.  You know in this country the meteorologists keep saying things like 10 years out of the last 11 have broken previous records for year-to year increases in annual global average temperatures, then 11 out of 12.
There are thousands of them who do this on nightly weather/newscasts many times during the past few years.  So, if Phil Chapman isn't telling lies about the meteorological records, then my senses and/or 1000's of professional meteorologists are lying to me and us?!  So far, I would assume the former.

I think maybe Kurt had the best off-putting response for this Phil's story.  Terra Preta Nova could be the answer to "Global Cooling", too!

Regards,

SKB
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron Larson<mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net> 
  To: 'terra pretta group'<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org> 
  Cc: Sean K. Barry<mailto:sean.barry at juno.com> ; mark at ludlow.com<mailto:mark at ludlow.com> ; 'Kurt Treutlein'<mailto:rukurt at westnet.com.au> 
  Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Ice-age anyone? 


  Terra Preta List Members:

  I write because I think it is exceedingly counter productive to the growth of biochar activity to allow the idea of an ice age to have any credence.  Kurt's cited reference (Phil Chapman) said something I believe to be a big lie (Chapman, not Kurt).  I do not use the word lie loosely - minimum research shows the direct opposite.  The lie from Chapman I claim was:
      All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate
  Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in
  New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote
  Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in
  2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and
  it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon
  recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over. 

      Going through each of these one by one:

  1.  NASA (GISS) at http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/<http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/> says that 2007 was the second highest temperature year on record.  The year 2007 number has been obtained using methodologies that have been in place for decades.

  2.  The Hadley Center  at 
  http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20080103.html<http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20080103.html>
  put 2007 a little lower in ranking - but still a high year.  See also
  http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/18/hadley-center-to-delayers-deniers-pielke-global-warming-not-cooling/<http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/18/hadley-center-to-delayers-deniers-pielke-global-warming-not-cooling/>

  3.  The Christy group at the University of Alabama (Huntsville) was much harder to find.   See http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/atmos/christy.html<http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/atmos/christy.html>.    As near as I can tell, Dr. John Christy does not report on world average temperature.  However, I found at
  http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=903<http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=903>   
      "While he now acknowledges that global warming is real and the human contribution is significant, Christy has been a long-time skeptic who previously argued that satellite climate data do not show a trend toward global warming, and even show cooling in some areas. His findings have been widely disputed. Christy now asserts that global warming will have beneficial effects on the planet and that increased CO2 emissions from human activities are a net positive."
      (Needless to say I find his change positive. but believe his conclusion that warming is beneficial to be ludicrous. In any case, I doubt he is a reasonable authority to cite on global cooling.)

  4.  Remote Sensing Systems Inc capabilities are at http://www.remss.com/<http://www.remss.com/>.  I did not find a data base on world average temperatures.  There is one satellite data base on sea surface temperature and they report that temperature has been going down slightly recently.  But as I trust the first two authorities on world average, this can only mean that on-land temperatures are increasing even faster than the average - and this is where w temperature would see the biggest impact of an (totally implausible) ice age.

      In conclusion,  I urge our terra preta group to really get behind the idea of warming as a big problem - that can probably only be stopped and reversed in the near term with a combination of urgent forestry re-growth and biochar.  If you aren't yet convinced about unconscionable warming , you must not yet have read the latest still-un-published Hansen material.  I just tried to get back to it at  http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1126<about:blank>  and the Supporting Material at: http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1135<about:blank> , but only got  "access denied".  Anyone know of where else these might be?  (I have them, but want others to also.)

  Ron


  SNIPPING MATERIAL FROM SEAN, MARK, AND KURT  - ALL TODAY.
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