[Terrapreta] Ice-age anyone?

[lou gold]

thanks, david.
collectively, we get it right.
dylan's lyrics that is.

i agree with your general assessment of our dilemma. and i hope that
necessity will be the fabled teacher somehow before we fail the test.

and, i also want to get away from placing an onerous guilt trip on the
industrial age and the human race. we were kids with big toys and now there
still are many kids who want big toys. that's how kids are and adolescence
is surely reckless. in terms of consciousness we simply are not the mature
adults that we have self-imagined.

now that the hard learning is arriving, i pray that we will not kill
ourselves and each other in the labor pains of giving birth to better ways.
we need to help each other -- big time. like the old hopi guy said, it could
be a very good time.



On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 6:00 PM, David Yarrow <dyarrow at nycap.rr.com> wrote:

>  maybe it was too much reverb on the recording i listened to, but heard
> bob dylan sing:
> "you don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
>
> at any rate, i've been watching fallout from the climbing CO2 curve since
> 1975.  we definitely have a problem with the global thermal engine on planet
> earth.  if nothing changes, our next generation will be in a fierce struggle
> to survive just based on one simple reality: how to feed communities when
> oil is a few hundred $ a barrel, and weather and climate no loner deliver
> rain, warmth and sunshine in steady, moderate, predictable doses.
>
> and if all we were facing was a bit of overheated ocean and atmosphere,
> this onrushing challenge to survival wouldn't seem so impossible.  sadly,
> tragically, the truth is we are facing a constellation of many factors and
> forces that demand major, fundamental changes in how humans relate to the
> earth, nature and ecosystems.
>
> as stated in the earth charter, the first principle for a sustainable
> future must be "respect and care for the community of life."  the second
> principle is "ecological intergrity."  western-style industrial civilization
> has a long history of ignoring and violating both principles.  only recently
> -- since the 1976 environmental protection act -- has light begun to dawn in
> minds that maybe we should take better care of nature.  or, to flip the
> perspective over, most folks i talk to agree that modern industrial society
> has not done right by mother nature.
>
> the virtues of terra preta extend well beyond sequestering carbon in soil.
> however, that alone is sufficient to highly recommend it as a key strategy
> for a sustainable society.  for starters, data seriously indicate TP
> produces higher yield of healthier crops and more nutritious foods, with far
> fewer fertilizers and pesticides -- not just year by year, but over the
> course of centuries.
>
> i am especially interested in terra preta's capacity to gold and dole out
> an abundance of nutrients in a biological soil food web.  to put it in
> market-oriented rhetoric: terra preta is one of a handful of soil strategies
> proven to produce foods with superior nutritional content.  thus, beginning
> next year, adding biochar to soil will be a highly recommended practice for
> certified growers of a new, superior class of foods, tentatively labeled
> "nutrient dense."
>
> for a green & peaceful planet,
> David Yarrow
> 44 Gilligan Rd, E Greenbush, NY 12061
> www.championtrees.org
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> www.SeaAgri.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* lou gold <lou.gold at gmail.com>
> *To:* mark at ludlow.com
> *Cc:* terra pretta group <terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 25, 2008 4:15 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] Ice-age anyone?
>
> yep, Mark.
>
> but I misquoted Dylan.
>
> should be, "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Mark Ludlow <mark at ludlow.com> wrote:
>
>>  You got it Lou!
>>
>>
>>
>> When someone starts telling me that it's all out of our hands and ability
>> to affect, I throw up my hands. We're not going to change solar cycles. But
>> we do have it within our means to be less potentially disruptive here on
>> earth.
>>
>>
>>
>> After we've done what we can do, then we take our chances, as all species
>> did during the previous 5 (or more) great extinctions on earth.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org [mailto:
>> terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org] *On Behalf Of *lou gold
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 25, 2008 12:26 PM
>> *To:* Ron Larson
>> *Cc:* terra pretta group
>> *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] Ice-age anyone?
>>
>>
>>
>> Denial, skepticism and odd takes have always been part of the great
>> weather story. The fact that they are duly represented here by a small
>> minority should come neither as a surprise nor as an indicator that they are
>> embraced generally by the readers of the forum.
>>
>>
>> We could take Bob Dylan's advice -- "you don't need a weatherman to know
>> the wind blows" or, if you need more, try the trick of "mind over matter" --
>> pay it no mind and it won't matter.
>>
>> hugs to all,
>>
>> lou
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Ron Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Terra Preta List Members:
>>
>> I write because I think it is exceedingly counter productive to the growth
>> of biochar activity to allow the idea of an ice age to have any credence.
>> Kurt's cited reference (Phil Chapman) said something I believe to be a big
>> lie (Chapman, not Kurt).  I do not use the word lie loosely - minimum
>> research shows the direct opposite.  The lie from Chapman I claim was:
>>
>>     *All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate
>> Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in
>> New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote
>> Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in
>> 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record
>> and
>> it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon
>> recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over. *
>>
>>     Going through each of these one by one:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.  NASA (GISS) at http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/ says that 2007
>> was the second highest temperature year on record.  The year 2007 number has
>> been obtained using methodologies that have been in place for decades.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2.  The Hadley Center  at
>>
>> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20080103.html
>>
>> put 2007 a little lower in ranking - but still a high year.  See also
>>
>>
>> http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/18/hadley-center-to-delayers-deniers-pielke-global-warming-not-cooling/
>>
>>
>>
>> 3.  The Christy group at the University of Alabama (Huntsville) was much
>> harder to find.   See http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/atmos/christy.html.    As
>> near as I can tell, Dr. John Christy does not report on world average
>> temperature.  However, I found at
>>
>> http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=903
>>
>>     *"While he now acknowledges that global warming is real and the human
>> contribution is significant, Christy has been a long-time skeptic who
>> previously argued that satellite climate data do not show a trend toward
>> global warming, and even show cooling in some areas. His findings have been
>> widely disputed. Christy now asserts that global warming will have
>> beneficial effects on the planet and that increased CO2 emissions from human
>> activities are a net positive."*
>>
>>     (Needless to say I find his change positive. but believe his
>> conclusion that warming is beneficial to be ludicrous. In any case, I doubt
>> he is a reasonable authority to cite on global cooling.)
>>
>>
>>
>> 4.  Remote Sensing Systems Inc capabilities are at http://www.remss.com/.
>> I did not find a data base on world average temperatures.  There is one
>> satellite data base on sea surface temperature and they
>> report that temperature has been going down slightly recently.  But as I
>> trust the first two authorities on world average, this can only mean that
>> on-land temperatures are increasing even faster than the average - and this
>> is where w temperature would see the biggest impact of an (totally
>> implausible) ice age.
>>
>>
>>
>>     In conclusion,  I urge our terra preta group to really get behind the
>> idea of warming as a big problem - that can probably only be stopped and
>> reversed in the near term with a combination of urgent forestry re-growth
>> and biochar.  If you aren't yet convinced about unconscionable warming , you
>> must not yet have read the latest still-un-published Hansen material.  I
>> just tried to get back to it at  http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1126  and the
>> Supporting Material at: http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1135 , but only got
>>  "access denied".  Anyone know of where else these might be?  (I have them,
>> but want others to also.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> SNIPPING MATERIAL FROM SEAN, MARK, AND KURT  - ALL TODAY.
>>
>>
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