[Terrapreta] Ice-age anyone?

[Doug Clayton]

Thank you Ron for voicing some clear sanity.

doug


On Apr 25, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Ron Larson wrote:

> Terra Preta List Members:
>
> I write because I think it is exceedingly counter productive to the  
> growth of biochar activity to allow the idea of an ice age to have any  
> credence.  Kurt's cited reference (Phil Chapman) said something I  
> believe to be a big lie (Chapman, not Kurt).  I do not use the word  
> lie loosely - minimum research shows the direct opposite.  The lie  
> from Chapman I claim was:
>     All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley  
> Climate
> Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies  
> in
> New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote
> Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C  
> in
> 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental  
> record and
> it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon
> recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over.
>     Going through each of these one by one:
>  
> 1.  NASA (GISS) at http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/ says that  
> 2007 was the second highest temperature year on record.  The year  
> 2007 number has been obtained using methodologies that have been in  
> place for decades.
>  
> 2.  The Hadley Center  at
> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20080103.html
> put 2007 a little lower in ranking - but still a high year.  See also
> http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/18/hadley-center-to-delayers- 
> deniers-pielke-global-warming-not-cooling/
>  
> 3.  The Christy group at the University of Alabama (Huntsville) was  
> much harder to find.   See  
> http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/atmos/christy.html.    As near as I can  
> tell, Dr. John Christy does not report on world average temperature.   
> However, I found at
> http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=903  
>     "While he now acknowledges that global warming is real and the  
> human contribution is significant, Christy has been a long-time  
> skeptic who previously argued that satellite climate data do not show  
> a trend toward global warming, and even show cooling in some areas.  
> His findings have been widely disputed. Christy now asserts that  
> global warming will have beneficial effects on the planet and that  
> increased CO2 emissions from human activities are a net positive."
>     (Needless to say I find his change positive. but believe his  
> conclusion that warming is beneficial to be ludicrous. In any case, I  
> doubt he is a reasonable authority to cite on global cooling.)
>  
> 4.  Remote Sensing Systems Inc capabilities are at  
> http://www.remss.com/.  I did not find a data base on world average  
> temperatures.  There is one satellite data base on sea surface  
> temperature and they report that temperature has been going down  
> slightly recently.  But as I trust the first two authorities on world  
> average, this can only mean that on-land temperatures are increasing  
> even faster than the average - and this is where w temperature would  
> see the biggest impact of an (totally implausible) ice age.
>  
>     In conclusion,  I urge our terra preta group to really get behind  
> the idea of warming as a big problem - that can probably only be  
> stopped and reversed in the near term with a combination of urgent  
> forestry re-growth and biochar.  If you aren't yet convinced about  
> unconscionable warming , you must not yet have read the latest  
> still-un-published Hansen material.  I just tried to get back to it at  
>  http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1126  and the Supporting Material at:  
> http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1135 , but only got  "access denied".   
> Anyone know of where else these might be?  (I have them, but want  
> others to also.)
>  
> Ron
>  
>  
> SNIPPING MATERIAL FROM SEAN, MARK, AND KURT  - ALL  
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