[Terrapreta] Ice-age anyone?

Sean K. Barry sean.barry at juno.com
Sat Apr 26 00:51:24 CDT 2008

Hi TP readers,

This is the other shoe that always falls with GW skeptics ... who funds their research?

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=903<http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=903>

Documenting Exxon-Mobil's funding of climate change skeptics.

Regards,

SKB

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From: Edward Someus<mailto:edward at terrenum.net>
To: 'terra pretta group'<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org> ; Ron Larson<mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Ice-age anyone?

RESPONSE ON http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=903<http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=903> Christy now asserts that global warming will have beneficial effects on the planet and that increased CO2 emissions from human activities are a net positive." ( But believe his conclusion that warming is beneficial to be ludicrous)

YES global warming is providing beneficial effects for the Earth's 99.9% living population, BUT the only problem is that Earth's 99.9% living population are microorganisms and insects.

Microorganisms and insects are certainly great supporters of the global warming progress, which is improving their evolution conditions.

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From: Ron Larson<mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>
Date: 2008.04.25. 20:47:49
To: 'terra pretta group'<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Ice-age anyone?

Terra Preta List Members:

I write because I think it is exceedingly counter productive to the growth of biochar activity to allow the idea of an ice age to have any credence. Kurt's cited reference (Phil Chapman) said something I believe to be a big lie (Chapman, not Kurt). I do not use the word lie loosely - minimum research shows the direct opposite. The lie from Chapman I claim was:
All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate
Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in
New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote
Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in
2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and
it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon
recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over.

Going through each of these one by one:

1. NASA (GISS) at http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/<http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/> says that 2007 was the second highest temperature year on record. The year 2007 number has been obtained using methodologies that have been in place for decades.

2. The Hadley Center at
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20080103.html<http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20080103.html>
put 2007 a little lower in ranking - but still a high year. See also
http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/18/hadley-center-to-delayers-deniers-pielke-global-warming-not-cooling/<http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/18/hadley-center-to-delayers-deniers-pielke-global-warming-not-cooling/>

3. The Christy group at the University of Alabama (Huntsville) was much harder to find. See http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/atmos/christy.html<http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/atmos/christy.html>. As near as I can tell, Dr. John Christy does not report on world average temperature. However, I found at
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=903<http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=903>
"While he now acknowledges that global warming is real and the human contribution is significant, Christy has been a long-time skeptic who previously argued that satellite climate data do not show a trend toward global warming, and even show cooling in some areas. His findings have been widely disputed. Christy now asserts that global warming will have beneficial effects on the planet and that increased CO2 emissions from human activities are a net positive."
(Needless to say I find his change positive. but believe his conclusion that warming is beneficial to be ludicrous. In any case, I doubt he is a reasonable authority to cite on global cooling.)

4. Remote Sensing Systems Inc capabilities are at http://www.remss.com/<http://www.remss.com/>. I did not find a data base on world average temperatures. There is one satellite data base on sea surface temperature and they report that temperature has been going down slightly recently. But as I trust the first two authorities on world average, this can only mean that on-land temperatures are increasing even faster than the average - and this is where w temperature would see the biggest impact of an (totally implausible) ice age.

In conclusion, I urge our terra preta group to really get behind the idea of warming as a big problem - that can probably only be stopped and reversed in the near term with a combination of urgent forestry re-growth and biochar. If you aren't yet convinced about unconscionable warming , you must not yet have read the latest still-un-published Hansen material. I just tried to get back to it at http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1126<about:blank> and the Supporting Material at: http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1135<about:blank> , but only got "access denied". Anyone know of where else these might be? (I have them, but want others to also.)

Ron

SNIPPING MATERIAL FROM SEAN, MARK, AND KURT - ALL TODAY.

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