[Terrapreta] expansion

[Sean K. Barry]

Hi Greg,

What % of the population now currently "thrives" in the deserts of the world?  Do you really think most of the human race can learn to adapt to the kinds of climate and species changes that would occur in the next century?  Really?  How so?  Could you adapt to farming on a desert with no water, no seeds, no animals, and no end to the heat?  How will you adapt?  I did not say humans would become extinct right away as the first a species to go.  But with large percentages of living species disappearing, what will we eat?

You like to make this claim that CO2 cause plant life to flourish, that it acts like a fertilizer of a sort.  I know plants use CO2.  Do you know that if humans are pumping lots of CO2 into the atmosphere (like we have been for at least 150 years), then if your theory were correct, then atmospheric CO2 concentrations should not have gone UP?!  Why aren't the plants taking up the excess CO2?  I would expect that plant life could maybe stabilize CO2 levels after millions of years.  But humans are causing large increase in CO2 concentrations.  The plants and the oceans are not absorbing the CO2 we put out.  If they were or could then the concentrations would not be up, would they?

Okay, I've repeated this.  It is repeated all over this subject by many more people than me.  So, what argument can you make that dismisses this argument?  Why, if plants take up CO2 are CO2 concentrations still rising and rising faster than ever before?  Can you answer that?!

Regards,

SKB
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Greg and April<mailto:gregandapril at earthlink.net> 
  To: lou gold<mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com> 
  Cc: Terra Preta<mailto:Terrapreta at bioenergylists.org> 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] expansion


  Lou,

  I think that one thing that everyone that makes these statements overlooks, is mans ability to adapt.

  Man has lived and still lives ( for all of historical history and beyond ) in deserts that already is more than 5* C higher than the average world temp, and these are folks that are usually primitive that don't have the advantage of modern technology.    Man as a species in historical times has already seen changes of at least 5* C just going from the height of the Medieval Warm Period to depths of the Little Ice Age and back to the present.

  Remember, fossil records indicate that during times of high CO2, plant life flourished and the number of species ( plant ) usually increased.    

  Just because temperature increases, there is no reason to believe that the world is going to turn to desert in fact, all you have to do is look at the relative humidity and see that it has remained fairly constant over the years  -  this indicates that the either the temperature is not increasing like people say or that the amount of water in the atmosphere has increased.    

  Methane in ice core samples from Greenland indicate increased rates of falling moisture, during warming events.


  Until someone can prove that man ( the most adaptable species in the world ) would not be able to adapt in the face of increased world temperatures, it's just another version of " The sky is falling "    While a 10* C increase might be a pain in the ass, it just does not scare me - and there is no reason for it to.    



    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: lou gold<mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com> 
    To: Greg and April<mailto:gregandapril at earthlink.net> 
    Cc: Sean K. Barry<mailto:sean.barry at juno.com> ; Terra Preta<mailto:Terrapreta at bioenergylists.org> 
    Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:29
    Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] expansion


    After reading this Greg ...

    So on one hand, we have you claiming extinction levels of 95%+ of all known species ( including plants ) due to global warming, caused by CO2 in the atmosphere due to the actions of man, and on the other hand, we have record of known extinction events, that never exceed aprox 80% in a worst case situation ( few of which involve plants ), and most of which account for <60% of species. 

    Somehow, I just can't help noting the obvious that we and other sentient beings are not plants and that losing up to 60% of us may be more than a yawn.

    hugs,

    lou

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