[Terrapreta] Hansen's Proposal

[Duane Pendergast]

Brian

 

I think the talk about cap and trade relative to terra preta would be more
effective on a list focused on cap and trade. It would likely be a much
bigger list and would be an opportunity to make that audience aware of the
terra preta concept. Most would reject it as being strange and inconsistent
with their goal of emission reduction, but in due course some would get the
idea emission reduction is possibly not the only way to manage CO2 in the
atmosphere. I'm afraid there is quite a bit of blind dislike of oil
companies underlying the global warming movement. Here, we are preaching to
those who mostly already believe terra preta would be an effective sink. 

 

Cheers!

 

Duane

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hans [mailto:bhans at earthmimic.com] 
Sent: June 8, 2008 7:51 AM
To: still.thinking at computare.org
Cc: 'Terra Preta'
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Hansen's Proposal

 

Duane et al.

 

If there is a cap and trade, a $ value will be placed on CO2 emissions. If
one can purchase a sequester CO2 system for less than your CO2 emissions,
the emitter will invest in that sequesteration system. I suspect an industry
with regulations will develop around the above concept once those caps are
more fully developed. Companies have already staked out a marketplace in
Europe based on this model. 

 

An example is the european CO2 rate <http://www.chicagoclimatex.com/>  = ~
$40/ton of CO2. At ~ 3.5ton of CO2/ton of Charcoal, this mean that charcoal
into the soil is worth ~ $140/ton. 

 

My guess is that this is why there is such a big push for carbon tax (and
talk on this forum) in the minds of modern terra preta peoples. 

 

Brian


Duane Pendergast <still.thinking at computare.org> wrote:

            Terra Preta enthusiasts! 

 

All this recycled talk of cap and trade, emission limits, carbon tax, and
tax and dividend focuses on reducing emissions. Canada's National Post
newspaper has featured many such articles this past week.  Please note that
Canada's public discussion of such has gone far beyond that of the US since
Canada was foolish enough to both sign onto and ratify the Kyoto Protocol.

 

I don't see much dialogue on the possibility of providing incentives for
technologies which actually remove CO2 from the atmosphere. That lack is
also apparent in publications of the IPCC.

 

This is one topic area where list members might interface with the huge,
repetitive, and boring discussion of means to reduce emissions which is
taking place outside this list.   

 

Duane

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Lehmann [mailto:mlehmann3 at austin.rr.com] 
Sent: June 7, 2008 3:23 PM
To: lou gold
Cc: Terra Preta
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Hansen's Proposal

 

Lou, this article is highly relevant to the future of biochar. Peter Barnes
has a better plan than Hansen's because rationing is more effective in
limiting use than taxation is. Barnes is somewhat of a chicken, though, for
not including privately owned land in the sphere of nature's resources.
People didn't make privately owned land! Land is one case where taxing it
(and not improvements) does work. (The supply, hence use, is already
limited.) Taxpayers don't understand this beneficial aspect of taxing land.
Highly taxed land is also cheaper and curtails sprawl and speculation
sharply.

 

All cities and other governing bodies should be concerned with this issue,
which is really one of protecting the Commons (land). So is the whole
purpose of biochar, assuming protection includes carbon sequestration.

 

I don't like the blog-and-string-of-replies form, but if you think of a
simple way to look into and discuss this further, and wish to, let me know.

 

Can't write more as I'm getting ready to go away for a week.

 

Mary

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On Jun 6, 2008, at 1:19 PM, lou gold wrote:

 

I THINK THAT THIS CAN GAIN TRACTION

IF YOU AGREE SPREAD THE WORD 


June 6, 2008, 11:17 am 


James Hansen: Tax CO2 Emitters; Pay Citizens
<http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/james-hansen-tax-c02-emitters-
pay-citizens/> 


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