[Terrapreta] carbon trading

[Sean K. Barry]

Hi Richard, Folke, Lou,

I like what you mentioned about micro-finance projects related carbon credits, Richard.  This is the true spirit of the Kyoto Protocol.  Annex I, developed countries (at least, the signatories) need to buy the credits and they need to put those funds into the development of climate mitigating technologies  and techniques in third world developing countries.  Micro finance could be a real easy way to make this happen now.  This money could put vast potential other benefits in third world countries too!

I think it has been mentioned, but "all hands on board now, educate your children, and help third world countries to live this way" all come to mind when considering what to due about the impending energy crisis and global climate change conflux.  Fast mobilization of Terra Preta forming work, charring (carbonizinng, and/or pyrolyzing) equipment, to/with people in other countries doing this work is vital.

With an exportable (micro) finance system to support the efforts, 370 Euros?/ton for 6 to/ha of charcoal from 22 ton/ha dry biomass put into soil or some US$/ton earned from making and putting charcoal-in-soil can go into supplying a third world group with equipment and know-how to turn biomass into charcoal-in-soil.  The new groups work their could soon pay the ROI (with earned carbon credits) and possibly produce big dividends on investment there. This could be a workable business plan.

>From what I have heard of micro-finance, this could be the kind of thing that works.  People who invest with micro-finance want a very real way to think they are doing something beneficial for the other end of the transaction when they do it.  With carbon trading transactions, Global Climate mitigation work has to go on at the other end, in specifically a third world developing country.  Only developing countries can earn carbon credits.

The sunshine and soils that grow plants and the biomass that holds the carbohydrates for charcoal-in-soil and energy-from-biomass are already distributed in all the diverse places "out there", where the energy and the charcoal (for putting into soil) also are needed.  What is mainly needed now, is have people on the ground "out there" doing it there, with the right equipment and knowledge.  We need to spread the growth in this "carbon trading scheme" onto the other side of the planet, and probably all the way back to here eventually.  I like how international micro-finance can start the groundswell over there and anywhere all that much sooner.

This seems more and more like a great idea now that I think about it.  Richard, we must find a way to make micro-finance work with carbon credits for dissemination of Terra Preta Nova concept and expanded efforts on what we are trying to do here.

Regards,

SKB
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  From: Folke Günther<mailto:folke at holon.se> 
  To: 'Richard Haard'<mailto:richrd at nas.com> ; 'lou gold'<mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com> 
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  Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] carbon trading


  See my blog (from the bottom) and the article ’Carbon sequestration for everybody..’ I have since long proposed that if somebody has to pay for emitting carbon dioxide (e.g. a tax), anybody that can sequester the same amount of carbon (e.g. as charcoal in soil),should be paid the same amount, as a ‘negative’ tax. It’s just fair.

  Moreover, just imagine if you culd be paid an amount corresponding to the Swedish carbon dioxide tax, 1 SEK (€ 0.1)/kg carbon dioxide = 3.67 SEK (€0.37) /kg charcoal buried in the soil. One tonne (easy to fix!) would give you € 370, a good extra on the other harvest. Imagine you really go for it and grow industrial hemp for carring. It could easily give 20 tonnes dw, with a charcoal yield of at least six tonnes per hectare.

  The problem is not really the charring, but the politics around the creation of a fail carbon tax. 

  The methods to reverse the global warming are there, and a lot of willing people.

  We are just waiting for the poitical descisions.  

   

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  Skickat: den 13 mars 2008 16:19
  Till: lou gold
  Kopia: Terrapreta
  Ämne: Re: [Terrapreta] carbon trading

   

  In for example your arena -  A startup proposal  for application of carbon credits to a outreach program such as training and demonstration? Worth an inquiry to these groups? It seems such a program would develop its own inertia and like micro-financing and could have large additive effects. Perhaps some that are out there and not accounted for yet. Otherwise contracts for carbon sequestration credits would better match the large scale operations of electrical utilities, etc. 

   

  Rich

   

   

  On Mar 13, 2008, at 2:31 AM, lou gold wrote:





  Here's the link to an interesting Wall Street Journal article about carbon trading.

  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120535230851631199.html?mod=googlenews_wsj<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120535230851631199.html?mod=googlenews_wsj>

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