[Terrapreta] Your input needed: "Soil health" at Roundtable onSustainable Biofuels

[lou gold]

Tom,

The expression "speculate" was a courtesy intended to indicate that I don't
have the energy at the moment to chase the full trail of financial
structures. In the US midwest there were subsidies for converting the supply
system (gas stations, etc) for ethanol.  Actually, it all seems to have been
orchestrated with the auto industry as well (GM's new E85) vehicles. None of
this is really surprising. I can't imagine a politically realistic way of
changing major energy systems without bringing all (or at least a strong
coalition) of major players on board.

I dunno, perhaps this idle gossip. Do you think so?




On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 5:41 PM, <tmiles at easystreet.com> wrote:

> Why speculate? The relationships that you imagine should be easy to
> verify. Otherwise you are just passing along useless gossip.
>
> Tom
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "lou gold" <lou.gold at gmail.com>
>
> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:18:05
> To:"Michael Bailes" <michaelangelica at gmail.com>
> Cc:Laurens Rademakers <lrademakers at biopact.com>,Terra Preta <
> terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Your input needed: "Soil health" at Roundtable
> on
>        Sustainable Biofuels
>
>
> Michael,
>
> I'm not sure about BIG OIL. I believe that they are really BIG ENERGY
> companies that are involved in supplying the agricultural and transportation
> empires. I don't think that they are too fussy about the feedstock as long
> as they get  to process and deliver it. Actually the dominant modern
> agriculture is a agro-chemical-petro constellation. I don't know the actual
> facts but I speculate that the oil companies are investing heavily in less
> expensive (or more subsidized) forms of fuels.
>
> It's important to note that the subsidies (or tariffs) for US ethanol go
> to both oil companies and corn farming. Today, the NY Times editorialized
> against continued support for US corn ethanol:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/opinion/11sun1.html?hp <
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/opinion/11sun1.html?hp>
>
>
> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Michael Bailes <michaelangelica at gmail.com<mailto:
> michaelangelica at gmail.com> > wrote:
>  You may be interested in this
>
> http://hypography.com/forums/terra-preta/11716-what-plants-might-grown-just-bio.html<
> http://hypography.com/forums/terra-preta/11716-what-plants-might-grown-just-bio.html
> >
>
>  Dynamotive is producing Bio-oil from pyrolysis and is experimenting with
> it as a soil amendment-fertiliser-additive
> Michael
>
> BIG OIL does not like biofuels; Do they?
>
>
>
>  2008/5/1 Laurens Rademakers <lrademakers at biopact.com <mailto:
> lrademakers at biopact.com> >:
>
>
>
> Hi,
> I'm part of the Roundtable on Sustainable Biofuels (at the Ecole
> Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne's Energy Center), which is developing
> social, environmental and other sustainability criteria for biofuels. It
> does so in a set of discussion groups
>
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