[Terrapreta] No till faming

[Michael Bailes]

The dictionary definition would be fine
You can't blame mono-cropping on Roundup et al.
Just point me to some science for your assertions.
m

2008/5/25 Greg and April <gregandapril at earthlink.net>:

>  Can you define damage?
>
> I'm not trying to be a jerk, just trying to point out that sometimes damage
> can be somewhat obscure.
>
>  If we believe that soil biology like other organisms, require a balanced
> diet, the very fact that mono-cropping does not provide such - means that it
> is hindering in some way shape or form.
>
>
> I hate the stuff, but that being said, I admit to having a little on hand,
> to control invasive plant species, that has resisted ALL other efforts, and
> to make sure that it only goes where it is needed, I use a paint brush to
> apply it only to the very plant that is being controlled.
>
> This idea that it's ok to spray it every where to knock down a cover crop
> in preparation to planting, is a big mistake.
>
>
> Greg H.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael Bailes <michaelangelica at gmail.com>
> *To:* Terra Preta <terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:11
> *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] No till faming
>
> Can you point to any research that shows Rounup et all kill or otherwise
> damge soil micro-organisms?
> m
>
> 2008/5/25 Nikolaus Foidl <nfoidl at desa.com.bo>:
>
>> Hi Michael!
>>
>> The linkage to Tp is , if we believe that the main positive effect of
>> Charcoal is breeding ground for Microbial live and on the other hand the
>> physical ability of the charcoal is to adsorb and absorb those types of
>> toxins for the bacterial and fungal live we so hardly want to promote, then
>> we have a problem and not a small one.
>> Best regards Nikolaus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/24/08 10:37 AM, "Michael Bailes" <michaelangelica at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   You are obviously very concerned about this, but what does it have to
>> do with TP or char amended soils?
>>
>> I doubt very much that Glyphosate will ever be banned when now, 2/3 of the
>> planet are using DDT again and we know what that does. Glyphosate does not
>> have the rap sheet of chlorinated hydrocarbons(DDT DDE Dieldrin Toxaphene
>> etc etc) or organo-phosphates..
>>
>> There seems to be little research done on Glyphosate, that shows
>> bio-accumulation or *too many *other adverse effects.
>> That done a few years ago on how it killed frogs was side-stepped by
>> Monsanto by adding a different surfactant and promoting the new Roundup
>> Biactive as a safe alternative.
>> I have seen one research paper since saying it didn't kill four varieties
>> of Australian Frogs, but you would need to be on Monsanto's case full time
>> to see what is really happening.
>>
>> Personally I think making a food plant resistant to a weedicide you sell
>> and then selling both is immoral.
>> I think there is some justification for GM crops if they help feed people
>> , but this is an obvious, amoral, money-making, corporate play/ploy.
>>
>> I would love to see TP stay true to its roots and stay organic; but it is
>> a big world out there and I can't shoot all the people I'd like to :).
>> Michael
>>
>> 2008/5/24 Nikolaus Foidl <nfoidl at desa.com.bo>:
>>
>> Dear Michael!
>>
>> That is exactly the perversion of 0-tillage. It started 30 or more years
>> ago with the intention to escape the high costs of mechanical weeding
>> Please people, once in your live, get real. Lets speak charcoal meanwhile
>> Monsanto or Pioneer does not sell or promote it.
>>
>> I rest my case
>> Nikolaus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/24/08 7:37 AM, "Michael Bailes" <michaelangelica at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The CSIRO seems very keen about it here and is promoting it both here and
>> in SE Asia.
>> They say it helps increase soil micro-organisms and enhances plant growth
>> due to better biological activity. Some plant diseases are prevented.
>>
>> Does it have to always include weedicides?
>> I note that even the CSIRO is talking about plant weedicide resistance.
>>
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> because they don't realise they are The Problem.".
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