[Terrapreta] Government funding for Aust TP trials.
Adriana Downie
adriana at bestenergies.com.au
Mon Dec 17 19:11:37 CST 2007
This has been a past discussion topic of this group. Access to
information does seem to be an issue if you have no university
affiliation. I don’t know how you expect me to respond?
I am subject to the current framework of scientific journal publications
as is the rest of the scientific community. To maintain a scientific
standard I don’t see how this peer review process as slow as it may be
will be transformed in the near future. Once you publish with a journal
they bear the costs of the process, so is it unreasonable for them to
charge? If there is a credible journal that makes articles available I
will certainly look at publishing with them.
Adriana.
-----Original Message-----
From: lou gold [mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2007 11:17 AM
To: Adriana Downie
Cc: Michael Bailes; Terrapreta
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Government funding for Aust TP trials.
Hi Everyone,
I would like elaborate on my questions to Adriana.
Here is my predicament: as a would-be terra preta enthusiast/evangelist
living in Brazil, I find that I often do not have access to publications
that I would like to read. The two main terra preta books are now
available through HYPERLINK "http://Amazon.com"Amazon.com for a mere U$
314 HYPERLINK
"http://www.amazon.com/Amazonian-Dark-Earths-Properties-Management/dp/14
02018398/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b"http://www.amazon.com/Amazonian-Dark-Earth
s-Properties-Management/dp/1402018398/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b
or I can read other papers for a fee through services such as JSTOR. In
practical effect, this means that I do not have access. So, when I am
told that there will be a new Biochar book and new papers in journals I
wonder if I will ever gain access to them.
My general understanding is that this is no small problem in regard to
the intellectual property notions of modern science. Perhaps, some will
think that this is a side issue but in my view it seems especially
pertinent as we push for more global research and publication on terra
preta applications.
See the following piece about the work of James Boyle...
HYPERLINK
"http://sciencecommons.org/weblog/archives/2007/09/04/a-web-without-scie
nce/" \nA web without science …
September 4th, 2007
HYPERLINK "http://www.law.duke.edu/boylesite/" \nJames Boyle's latest
column in HYPERLINK "http://www.ft.com/" \nThe Financial Times -
HYPERLINK
"http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/39166e30-5a7f-11dc-9bcd-0000779fd2ac.html"
\n"The irony of a web without science" - examines how the lessons
learned from the world wide web can and should be applied to the
sciences. From research funding to commercial publishing, Boyle posits
that the capabilities made available through the advent of the Web and
its design are not adequately being applied to scientific research.
Boyle writes:
"The greatest irony, though, is this. The world wide web was designed in
a scientific laboratory to facilitate access to scientific knowledge. In
every other area of life - commerce, social networking, pornography - it
has been a smashing success. But in the world of science itself? With
the virtues of an open web all around us, we have proceeded to build an
endless set of walled gardens, something that looks a lot like Compuserv
or Minitel and very little like a world wide web for science."
The article notes a key element of Science Commons philosophy - the
almost-mythical "e-research" world, where collaboration is the norm and
we design our systems for the network. Meaningful e-research is going to
require a fundamental redefinition of infrastructure. Infrastructure is
more than just ethernet and fiberoptic cable. Content is part of the
infrastructure, too, and likely the underlying ICT infrastructure
content needs to be open by default and governed by open, standard
protocols. We won't get to the e-research future any other way.
Please see the HYPERLINK "http://sciencecommons.org/projects/data/"
\nNeurocommons pages for a sense of what an e-research project looks
like. If only we had as much access to the literature online as we do to
digital data …
You can read Boyle's article in its entirety HYPERLINK
"http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/39166e30-5a7f-11dc-9bcd-0000779fd2ac.html"
\nhere. Boyle is a William Neal Reynolds professor at HYPERLINK
"http://www.law.duke.edu/" \nDuke Law School , and a co-founder of
HYPERLINK "http://sciencecommons.org/" \nScience Commons. He also sits
on the HYPERLINK "http://creativecommons.org/" \nCreative Commons board.
On Dec 17, 2007 9:17 PM, lou gold <HYPERLINK
"mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com"lou.gold at gmail.com> wrote:
Adriana,
I pleased that the final papers will be available to the general public.
Perhaps your missed my question? Will the data bases and research be
governed by open access protocols such as are being set in place at
HYPERLINK "http://sciencecommons.org/weblog/"
\nhttp://sciencecommons.org/weblog/ ?
Thanks,
lou
On Dec 17, 2007 8:52 PM, Adriana Downie <HYPERLINK
"mailto:adriana at bestenergies.com.au" \n adriana at bestenergies.com.au>
wrote:
Lou,
We are in the process of publishing several research papers based on the
work in a range of journals. Some of the finding are also to be included
in the Biochar book which is being compiled by Johannes Lehmann . We
will also be presenting some of the results at the upcoming IBI
conference in Newcastle , UK for which the papers will be publicly
available.
It is not our intention to keep this work a secret. The more
scientifically rigorous and peer reviewed results we can get out the
better.
Regards,
Adriana.
-----Original Message-----
From: lou gold [mailto:HYPERLINK "mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com"
\nlou.gold at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2007 9:36 AM
To: Adriana Downie
Cc: Michael Bailes; Terrapreta
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Government funding for Aust TP trials.
Hi Adriana,
Sounds like a wonderful thing to support. We need much char research.
One question: how will the data, research findings, etc be licensed?
Will they be under an Open Source protocol?
HYPERLINK "http://creativecommons.org/" \nhttp://creativecommons.org/
Or, will they be governed by a conventional copyright?
Thanks for all of you good work.
lou
On Dec 17, 2007 7:54 PM, Adriana Downie < HYPERLINK
"mailto:adriana at bestenergies.com.au" \nadriana at bestenergies.com.au>
wrote:
Michael….and those who want to help via email,
Your criticism (below) of lack of government support is not entirely
justified. The trials that BEST has paid for at the NSW DPI has been
done partly through funding we have through the NSW Department of
Environment and Climate Change (DECC). BEST Energies (directly and
through their clients) and the NSW DPI have also contributed cash and
in-kind but it would have been a lot harder without the government
support for which we are very grateful.
I encourage those on the list with some time, to write an email of
congratulations to the DECC for supporting this important work and to
encourage them to continue and expand the funding that they have
provided in this area. I have included the contacts below. All they ask
out of this is to get some recognition so please feel free to give them
some and hopefully this will help pave the way for more TP work in NSW.
Elizabeth Lechlein
Grants Administrator
Department of Environment and Climate Change
PO Box 644 Parramatta NSW 2124
Level 2, 1 Fitzwilliam Street
Parramatta NSW 2150
HYPERLINK "mailto:elizabeth.lechlein at environment.nsw.gov.au"
\nelizabeth.lechlein at environment.nsw.gov.au
Ph: (02) 8837 6038 Fax: (02) 8837 6099
Lisa Corbyn
Director General - DECC
HYPERLINK "mailto:Lisa.corbyn at environment.nsw.gov.au"
\nLisa.corbyn at environment.nsw.gov.au
59-61 Goulburn Street, Sydney
PO Box A290, Sydney South NSW 1232
Phone: +61 2 9995 5000
Mr Philip Koperberg,
NSW Minister for Climate Change Environment and Water
Level 35 Governor Macquarie Tower,
1 Farrer Place,
SYDNEY NSW 2000
Phone 9228 5488 Fax 9228 5766
Email HYPERLINK "mailto:office at koperberg.minister.nsw.gov.au"
\noffice at koperberg.minister.nsw.gov.au
Regards,
Adriana Downie
BEST Energies Australia
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Bailes [mailto:HYPERLINK
"mailto:michaelangelica at gmail.com" \nmichaelangelica at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 17 December 2007 1:49 PM
To: naomi luckett; Terrapreta
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] NZ leading the way
I buddied up with a lovely kiwi at the IAI Confrence at Terrigal.
He was from NZ DEPT of Primary Industries. I have forgotten his name
and unfortunately lost his details. He said the NZ Govt was very worried
about GHGs especially methane from burping (He did say burping) cows.
I only saw a couple of other 'PI' people from NSW and the ONLY
Journalist was Kelpie Wilson.
The Confrence got no running in the press at all.
There have been some NSW pot studies done by NSW Agi Department - fully
or partially funded by BEST Energies (You get nothing for free from the
NSW Govt.-- and do they charge!).
In my view BEST should be flogging their technology not researching and
funding char experiments-The Government should be doing this!
NSW DPI even has a "GHG" Executive.
If nothing else Australian Governments should be funding studies on
Char's water saving potential. It seems the "water saving"
crystals/polymers are fairly useless and expensive.
MA
On 17/12/2007, naomi luckett <HYPERLINK "mailto:naomiluckett at gmail.com"
\nnaomiluckett at gmail.com> wrote:
News from New Zealand,
Published today in the New Zealand Herald...
RESEARCH
Roles focus on charcoal's benefits
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