[Terrapreta] Government funding for Aust TP trials.

[lou gold]

 This has been a past discussion topic of this group. Access to information
> does seem to be an issue if you have no university affiliation. I don't know
> how you expect me to respond?
>
I'm asking if you are interested in exploring the possibilities for terra
preta research under an open source format? Have you checked into the links
I sent?


>
>
> I am subject to the current framework of scientific journal publications
> as is the rest of the scientific community. To maintain a scientific
> standard I don't see how this peer review process as slow as it may be will
> be transformed in the near future. Once you publish with a journal they bear
> the costs of the process, so is it unreasonable for them to charge? If there
> is a credible journal that makes articles available I will certainly look at
> publishing with them.
>
>
>
> Adriana.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* lou gold [mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com
> ]
> *Sent**:* Tuesday, 18 December 2007 11:17 AM
>
> *To:* Adriana Downie
> *Cc:* Michael Bailes; Terrapreta
> *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] Government funding for Aust TP trials.
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I would like elaborate on my questions to Adriana.
> Here is my predicament: as a would-be terra preta enthusiast/evangelist
> living in Brazil, I find that I often do not have access to publications
> that I would like to read. The two main terra preta books are now available
> through Amazon.com for a mere U$ 314 http://www.amazon.com/Amazonian-Dark-Earths-Properties-Management/dp/1402018398/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b
>
> or I can read other papers for a fee through services such as JSTOR. In
> practical effect, this means that I do not have access. So, when I am told
> that there will be a new Biochar book and new papers in journals I wonder if
> I will ever gain access to them.
>
> My general understanding is that this is no small problem in regard to the
> intellectual property notions of modern science. Perhaps, some will think
> that this is a side issue but in my view it seems especially pertinent as we
> push for more global research and publication on terra preta applications.
>
> See the following piece about the work of James Boyle...
> *A web without science …<http://sciencecommons.org/weblog/archives/2007/09/04/a-web-without-science/>
> *
>
> September 4th, 2007
>
> James Boyle <http://www.law.duke.edu/boylesite/>'s latest column in The
> Financial Times <http://www.ft.com/> - "The irony of a web without
> science"<http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/39166e30-5a7f-11dc-9bcd-0000779fd2ac.html>- examines how the  lessons learned from the world wide web can and should
> be applied to the sciences. From research funding to commercial publishing,
> Boyle posits that the capabilities made available through the advent of the
> Web and its design are not adequately being applied to scientific research.
>
> Boyle writes:
>
> "The greatest irony, though, is this. The world wide web was designed in a
> scientific laboratory to facilitate access to scientific knowledge. In every
> other area of life - commerce, social networking, pornography - it has been
> a smashing success. But in the world of science itself? With the virtues of
> an open web all around us, we have proceeded to build an endless set of
> walled gardens, something that looks a lot like Compuserv or Minitel and
> very little like a world wide web for science."
>
> The article notes a key element of Science Commons philosophy -  the
> almost-mythical "e-research" world, where collaboration is the norm and  we
> design our systems for the network. Meaningful e-research is going to
> require a fundamental redefinition of infrastructure. Infrastructure is more
> than just ethernet and fiberoptic cable. Content is part of the
> infrastructure, too, and likely the underlying ICT infrastructure content
> needs to be open by default and governed by open, standard protocols. We
> won't get to the e-research future any other way.
>
> Please see the Neurocommons pages<http://sciencecommons.org/projects/data/>for a sense of what an e-research project looks like. If only we had as much
> access to the literature online as we do to digital data …
>
> You can read Boyle's article in its entirety here<http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/39166e30-5a7f-11dc-9bcd-0000779fd2ac.html>.
> Boyle is a William Neal Reynolds professor at Duke Law School
> <http://www.law.duke.edu/>, and a co-founder of Science Commons<http://sciencecommons.org/>.
> He also sits on the Creative Commons <http://creativecommons.org/> board.
>
>
>
>
>  On Dec 17, 2007 9:17 PM, lou gold <lou.gold at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Adriana,
>
> I pleased that the final papers will be available to the general public.
>
> Perhaps your missed my question? Will the data bases and research be
> governed by open access protocols such as are being set in place at
> http://sciencecommons.org/weblog/ ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> lou
>
>
>
>
>  On Dec 17, 2007 8:52 PM, Adriana Downie < adriana at bestenergies.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> Lou,
>
>
>
> We are in the process of publishing several research papers based on the
> work in a range of journals. Some of the finding are also to be included in
> the Biochar book which is being compiled by Johannes Lehmann . We will also
> be presenting some of the results at the upcoming IBI conference in
> Newcastle , UK for which the papers will be publicly available.
>
>
>
> It is not our intention to keep this work a secret. The more
> scientifically rigorous and peer reviewed results we can get out the better.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Adriana.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* lou gold [mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 December 2007 9:36 AM
> *To:* Adriana Downie
> *Cc:* Michael Bailes; Terrapreta
> *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] Government funding for Aust TP trials.
>
>
>
> Hi Adriana,
>
> Sounds like a wonderful thing to support. We need much char research.
>
> One question: how will the data, research findings, etc be licensed?
>
> Will they be under an Open Source protocol?
> http://creativecommons.org/
>
> Or, will they be governed by a conventional copyright?
>
> Thanks for all of you good work.
>
> lou
>
> On Dec 17, 2007 7:54 PM, Adriana Downie < adriana at bestenergies.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> Michael….and those who want to help via email,
>
>
>
> Your criticism (below) of lack of government support is not entirely
> justified. The trials that BEST has paid for at the NSW DPI has been done
> partly through funding we have through the NSW Department of Environment and
> Climate Change (DECC). BEST Energies (directly and through their clients)
> and the NSW DPI have also contributed cash and in-kind but it would have
> been a lot harder without the government support for which we are very
> grateful.
>
>
>
> I encourage those on the list with some time, to write an email of
> congratulations to the DECC for supporting this important work and to
> encourage them to continue and expand the funding that they have provided in
> this area. I have included the contacts below. All they ask out of this is
> to get some recognition so please feel free to give them some and hopefully
> this will help pave the way for more TP work in NSW.
>
>
>
> *Elizabeth Lechlein*
>
> Grants Administrator
>
> Department of Environment and Climate Change
>
> PO Box 644 Parramatta NSW 2124
>
> Level 2, 1 Fitzwilliam Street
>
> Parramatta NSW 2150
>
> elizabeth.lechlein at environment.nsw.gov.au
>
> Ph: (02) 8837 6038  Fax: (02) 8837 6099
>
>
>
> *Lisa Corbyn*
>
> *Director General - DECC*
>
> *Lisa.corbyn at environment.nsw.gov.au *
>
> 59-61 Goulburn Street, Sydney
> PO Box A290, Sydney South NSW 1232
> Phone: +61 2 9995 5000
>
>
>
> Mr Philip Koperberg,
>
> NSW Minister for Climate Change Environment and Water
> Level 35 Governor Macquarie Tower,
> 1 Farrer Place,
> SYDNEY NSW 2000
>
> Phone 9228 5488 Fax 9228 5766
>
> Email office at koperberg.minister.nsw.gov.au
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Adriana Downie
>
> BEST Energies Australia
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Michael Bailes [mailto:michaelangelica at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, 17 December 2007 1:49 PM
> *To:* naomi luckett; Terrapreta
> *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] NZ leading the way
>
>
>
> I buddied up with a lovely kiwi at the IAI Confrence at Terrigal.
>  He was from NZ DEPT of Primary Industries. I have forgotten his name and
> unfortunately lost his details. He said the NZ Govt was very worried about
> GHGs especially methane from burping (He did say burping) cows.
> I only saw a couple of other 'PI' people from NSW and the ONLY Journalist
> was Kelpie Wilson.
> The Confrence got no running in the press at all.
>
> There have been some NSW pot studies done by NSW Agi Department - fully or
> partially funded by BEST Energies (You get nothing for free from the NSW
> Govt.-- and do they charge!).
> In my view BEST should be flogging their technology not researching and
> funding char experiments-The Government should be doing this!
>  NSW DPI even has a "GHG" Executive.
> If nothing else Australian Governments should be funding studies on Char's
> water saving potential. It seems the "water saving" crystals/polymers are
> fairly useless and expensive.
> MA
>
> On 17/12/2007, *naomi luckett* <naomiluckett at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> News from New Zealand,
>
>
>
> Published today in the New Zealand Herald...
>
>
>
> RESEARCH
>
> Roles focus on charcoal's benefits
>
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