[Terrapreta] Fwd: Fwd: Global Carbon Cycle

[Tom Miles]

So we'll be hostage to whoever we're in debt to for carbon? Russia perhaps?
We've tried to do a JI/CDM project in Russia. We wanted to use the value of
the carbon credits to build local renewable energy projects. The government
has to authorize the sale of the credits to foreign governments. They want
50% or nothing. Guess who benefits? When everyone gets their piece there is
not enough value left in the carbon credit to do the project. Bolivia has
been the same. It's all about politics and nothing to do with environment.
Countries are better off managing their own carbon to live within their
(our) environmental means. 


Tom

   

 

From: Sean K. Barry [mailto:sean.barry at juno.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 12:27 PM
To: still.thinking at computare.org; Tom Miles
Cc: terrapreta at bioenergylists.org
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Fwd: Fwd: Global Carbon Cycle

 

Hi Tom,

 

Your calculations are considering how the people in the USA could
sequestered on our own land all of the carbon we emit from fossil fuel
burning in this country alone.  Is that right?

 

What I am suggesting is that we could pay the undeveloped countries who do
not have net positive carbon inputs to the atmosphere, to bury some of the
carbon standing on their land, to offset the carbon we put into the
atmosphere.  We need the help of the entire worlds area and the entire world
population just to clean up our stinking pit.  From what I have read (in
Encyclopedia of Energy paper), there are some 132 billion tons of new growth
of biomass on land every year.  4.8 billion tons of biomass is only ~3.6% of
that new growth.

 

It's not an impossibility yet, that we cannot find or make enough charcoal
to offset the entire world populations emissions of fossil fuel carbon into
the atmosphere.  It is a near impossibility, as you pointed out, that the
USA could clean up it's own mess, with only it's own land, and with the
efforts of only the USA population.

 

We definitely need to "reach out" and probably pay the world to help us
clean up this mess.  I believe that can work.  I believe the JI/CDM
framework in the Kyoto Protocol Treaty can allow that to happen.

 

 

SKB

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tom Miles <mailto:tmiles at trmiles.com>  

To: still.thinking at computare.org ; 'Sean K. <mailto:sean.barry at juno.com>
Barry' 

Cc: terrapreta at bioenergylists.org 

Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:57 PM

Subject: RE: [Terrapreta] Fwd: Fwd: Global Carbon Cycle

 

When you do your personal calculations you'll find anything from 8-15 tpy
CO2 emissions, at 0.3 tC/tCO2 (~3.33 tCO2/tC) that's 2.4-6 tpy. That was the
purpose of my calculation of the area required for applying carbon.  At 5-10
t/ha (2-4 t/a) that's about 1 acre (4 tC) per person per year.  

http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/carbondioxide

 

It makes sense to invest in carbon sequestration through productive
agriculture at the rate of 1 acre (4t) per person/year. At a US population
of 302,011,659 (at 18:52 GMT (EST+5) Jun 05, 2007) that's 302 million acres
per year or about 1.2 billion tons of charcoal per year. At 25% net yield of
charcoal that's 4.8 million tons of biomass or more than 4 times what the
USDOE says we have available for energy.   

 

Tom

 

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