[Terrapreta] plastic "char" TP

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Dear Edward

Edward Someus wrote:
> *The question was:  whether the "coke" product in the article (INDIA) 
> is analogous to the char from biomass pyrolysis === *This is an mix 
> type of traditional plastic compositions. *So the answer for these 
> mixed obsolete plastic waste is NO.*
>  
>  
> *SEAN HAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT: *Petroleum based plastics would be a big 
> no-no.
>
OK... could you please post an analysis of clean polyethylene, showing 
content of heavy metals, cadmimum and arsenic?

Thanks.

Kevin
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> /*From:*/ jim mason <mailto:jimmason at whatiamupto.com>
> /*Date:*/ 2007.11.01. 6:44:00
> /*To:*/ Edward Someus <mailto:edward at terrenum.net>
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> /*Subject:*/ Re: [Terrapreta] plastic "char" TP
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> On 10/31/07, *Edward Someus* <edward at terrenum.net 
> <mailto:edward at terrenum.net>> wrote:
>  YOUR QUESTION I'm not sure whether the "coke" product in the article 
> is analogous to the char from biomass pyrolysis.
>  
> *DEFINITELY  NOT*,  plastic contains heavy metals and due to PVC mix 
> input, Halogen contamination remainings can also be counted.
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> well, let's not be hysterical about this.  many plastics have nothing 
> other than H, C and O in them.  just like biomass.  actually, many are 
> much more pure in their H, C and O only than biomass.  biomass can 
> have all sorts of problematic things in it, heavy metals included.  
> dosage, again, is what determines the poison, not the whether or not x 
> is on the ingredient list.
>
> staying clear of plastics with chlorine is wise, and noting ones that 
> have formations that can degrade to problematic HCs is good, but 
> otherwise, plastics are synthetic biomass, and made of exactly the 
> same stuff. 
>
> we can play legos with plastics like we can play legos with biomass.  
> i'm just unclear how well the double carbon bond lego backbone of 
> plastics degrades to useful char and the potential to get it into TP 
> relevant forms.
>
> or maybe we should consider plastic as already sequestered carbon.  it 
> lasts for about forever . . . ;-)
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> j
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> Sincerely yours: Edward Someus (environmental engineer)
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> /*From:*/ Green Waste Recycle Yard <mailto:info at GreenWasteRecycleYard.com>
> /*Date:*/ 2007.10.31. 18:28:15
> /*To:*/ terrapreta at bioenergylists.org 
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> /*Subject:*/ Re: [Terrapreta] plastic "char" TP
>  
> Check out the plastic conversion work of Alka Zadgaonkar: 
> http://www.goodnewsindia.com/index.php/Magazine/story/alkaZ/
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> I'm not sure whether the "coke" product in the article is analogous to 
> the char from biomass pyrolysis.
>  
> Bernie
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:34 PM
> *To:* Bernie Lenhoff
> *Subject:* [Terrapreta] plastic "char" TP
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> has anyone done any tests as to whether HC only plastics can be 
> reduced to a char with relevant porosity for TP?
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