[Terrapreta] Global Warming Is Not Settled Science

[Kevin Chisholm]

Dear David

David Yarrow wrote:
> noticed the melting ice at the noth and south poles in the last two decades? 
> noticed the worldwide recession of glaciers? 
I certainly have noticed the melting ice caps, the changes in seasons, 
the changing weather patterns, the shrinking glaciers, the increased 
frequency of Category 5 storms, changes in the northerly habitat limits 
of plants, birds and insects, etc.

These palpable occurrences demonstrate vividly to me that we are in a 
period of Climate Change.
>  of course, all the data in the 
> world won't convince someone who has already set their mind against the 
> facts.
>   
That is true. The existence of Climate Change was never an issue with 
me. My issue is whether or not Climate Change is caused by Man, or if it 
is driven by natural factors. I have not seen the logic or the evidence 
which connects Climate Change with Man's activity. All I have seen is 
the faulty logic that goes something like this:
1: Man burns large quantities of fossil fuel which produces large 
quantities of CO2.
2: CO2 levels in the atmosphere are increasing, and CO2 is a GHG
3: Therefore, Man is causing Global Warming and if Man reduces his 
consumption of fossil fuel adequately, then Global Warming can be 
brought under control.

At this point in time, I am sceptical about whether it is Man or Nature 
that is causing Global Warming. I simply don't know. I have not seen 
credible and palpable evidence or fact. What I have seen are points 
which support each side of the issue.

Can we terminate the discussion on Global Warming Cause, and get back on 
topic? It is here. Live with it.

This is the Terra Preta List. Lets all work toward advancing Terra 
Preta. Merely because a cow doesn't understand the workings of her 4th 
stomach is no reason why she shouldn't eat grass.

Best wishes,

Kevin
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kevin Chisholm" <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>
> To: "Sean K. Barry" <sean.barry at juno.com>
> Cc: "David Yarrow" <dyarrow at nycap.rr.com>; <terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Global Warming Is Not Settled Science
>
>
>   
>> Dear Sean
>> Sean K. Barry wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi David,
>>>  Thanks for pointing out that the Nobel prize earning scientists on the 
>>> IPCC have made predictions that were conservatively inaccurate.  You are 
>>> absolutely right and it should make anyone reviewing this story think 
>>> twice about doubting its validity.
>>>       
>> While the Scientists who analysed the data may have been very competent 
>> and knowledgeable, they can be only as accurate as their input data. If 
>> the Scientists are using wrong data, then they could come to the wrong 
>> conclusions.
>>
>> Please see: http://www.surfacestations.org/
>> and then the Slideshow at: 
>> http://gallery.surfacestations.org/UCAR-slides/index.html
>>
>> The Slide http://gallery.surfacestations.org/UCAR-slides/page92.html
>> shows the results of a survey of 331 out of 1221 Weather Stations. Of 
>> these 331 stations, 15 stations were rated as having a likely error of 
>> less than 1 C, and 85% could have errors between 1 C and 5 C
>>
>> When raw data is suspect, then one is quite entitled to suspect the 
>> conclusions.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>     
>>>  You sure would have thought some Conservatives would have been jumping 
>>> up and down, screaming "see, see, see, we told you dummies!", if when 
>>> they recounted the 2000 vote, it showed that Bush had been winning by a 
>>> landslide the whole time, huh?  And that is not what the IPCC scientists 
>>> are doing.  Their predictions were always absolutely in the right 
>>> direction.  The compelling new evidence makes one wonder why they are not 
>>> now more alarmist about it.  But, then alarm scares Conservatives.  It 
>>> means change is coming and they can't do anything to stop it.  They might 
>>> have to go along with some changes they don't like.  It rubs way to hard 
>>> against conserving the status quo, to accept such a change, methinks.
>>>  Regards,
>>>  SKB
>>>
>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>     *From:* David Yarrow <mailto:dyarrow at nycap.rr.com>
>>>     *To:* terrapreta at bioenergylists.org
>>>     <mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>
>>>     *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:13 PM
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] Global Warming Is Not Settled Science
>>>
>>>     if you want to make you own judgments about climate change and
>>>     global heating, or if you want to recite the opinions of the true
>>>     climate experts, i suggest you start with the fieldwork, data and
>>>     reports of IPCCC.  they were appointed as our best assembly of
>>>     worldwide experts to investigate, study and offer experts
>>>     scientific analysis and opinions.  these are the best of the best
>>>     who are designing and doing the critical homework to examine the
>>>     physical data and interpret the implications and consequences. their 
>>> work just got recognized with a nobel prize, in partnership
>>>     with al gore.
>>>      then, after you understand the case made by these best of the
>>>     best, then consider that the data is pouring in to indicate that
>>>     their professional and computer predictions have proven to be
>>>     inaccurate -- that climate change and global heating and thawing,
>>>     is happening faster than expected.
>>>      then, if you want to believe those who have more opinion than
>>>     data, go ahead.  but start from the top and work your way down.
>>>      i saw sufficient data by 1990 to convince me the planet's thermal
>>>     engine -- the ocean currents in particular -- was shifting into
>>>     overload mode.
>>>      David Yarrow
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>>>
>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>         *From:* lou gold <mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com>
>>>         *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:44 PM
>>>         *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] Global Warming Is Not Settled Science
>>>
>>>             It is people who are important.  Here is a link I just
>>>             found that confirms to me that global warming, though very
>>>             popular, is not yet settled science.
>>>             http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58586
>>>             Jon C. Frank
>>>
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