[Terrapreta] charcoal & wisdom

[lou gold]

Yep David,

BTW, Jeremy Narby's THE COSMIC SERPENT explores his personal inner
confrontation with the two mindsets. It's speculative, an interesting
journal of how a hardcore materialist (Narby) was forced to seek another
view.

http://www.amazon.com/Cosmic-Serpent-Jeremy-Narby/dp/0874779642

hugs,

lou




On Nov 25, 2007 2:32 PM, <dyarrow at nycap.rr.com> wrote:

> amen, lou.  the traditional indigenous mind was far different than
> anything we like our current western mind.  there is a technology of
> consciousness which is nearly lost amid western materialism and
> left-brain science.  indigenous people understood how to not only
> percieve nature in greater depth and clarity than modern humans, they
> could actually communicate with nature.  they knew nature wasn't just
> "stuff" -- physical, chemical, material matter.  they knew nature is a
> conscious, living, intelligent, sentient spirit.  they knew the physical
> form and substance was just a final expression of a hidden intelligent
> spiritual consciousness, and they had evolved a metaphysical technology
> to engage with that intelligence directly, inwardly, intuitively.
>
> i'm on webmail and on the road on someone else's computer with missing
> keyboard keys, so that's all i will type about such an outrageous,
> ovver-the-edge and out-of-the-box reality.  i'll end by saying that in
> 15 minutes i can teach most people that they can detect water flowing
> deep underground out of sight, sound and ordinary sense.  such an
> intuitive "sixth sense" ability is just a gateway to entering what i
> labeled above "indigenous mind."
>
> david
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: lou gold <lou.gold at gmail.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:23 am
> Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] compost and charcoal
> To: Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>
> Cc: dyarrow at nycap.rr.com, terrapreta preta <terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>
>
> > I love it David.
> >
> > And it would suggest an answer to the question that has vexed the
> > modernmind -- how did the ancient indians figure all this out? The
> > answer might
> > that they used the ancient wisdom and not the modern mind.
> >
> > They didn't take things apart and analyze the pieces. Instead they
> > relied on
> > a cummulative oral history that reported many stories about nature,
> > it'schanges, and what worked or did not work for the ancestors of
> > the place.
> >
> > In other words, nature conducted the experiment and human beings
> > carriedaround the results.Today, we've lost that history, that long-
> > term connection
> > to place. There's not much that we can do other than try to figure
> > it out in
> > the lab.
> >
> > But, wait --
> >
> > Isn't that what the gardeners are doing (sort of) with all that TP
> > pottingsoil?
> >
> > And, might it be useful to try build a little more local history
> > into our
> > modern laboratory approach?
> >
> > OK, just doing a bit of mental meandering.
> >
> > lou
> >
> > On Nov 25, 2007 12:14 PM, Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>
> > wrote:
> > > Dear David
> > >
> > > I think you are "bang on" with your emphasis of the importance of
> > > microbial action in soils. I think that their importance is grossly
> > > under-appreciated. Additionally, fungus is very important,
> > particularly> in assisting phosphorous uptake by plants.
> > >
> > >  From what I can see, the "chemical agriculture" and "organic
> > > agriculture" people are trying to impose their thoughts on the "soil
> > > mechanics" who actually get the job done. Mother Nature has her
> > way of
> > > doing things, and our best strategy is to be supportive of Her
> > way of
> > > doing things.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > dyarrow at nycap.rr.com wrote:
> > > > when the research is all done and written, i expect the
> > judgment will be
> > > > that it is not char that reduces NOx emissions, but microbials.
> > char
> > > > provides habitat and housing for microbes that process and
> > stabilize> > soil N into non-volatile forms, and char is mostly
> > passive in this
> > > > process.  complex, interactive communities of microbes proliferate
> > > > within the char's spongy matrix, and this explosion of living
> > biomass is
> > > > where the real action is.  char's main contribution to this NOx
> > emission> > reduction is to absorb and hold the various N ions in
> > the C matrix
> > > > rather than allowing the N compounds to dissolve and leach away.
> > > >
> > > > david
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>
> > > > Date: Sunday, November 25, 2007 0:50 am
> > > > Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] compost and charcoal
> > > > To: Gerald Van Koeverden <vnkvrdn at yahoo.ca>
> > > >
> > > >> Dear Gerrit
> > > >>
> > > >> This sounds to me like a great idea, with no downside.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have seen references to the fact that char reduces soil NO2
> > > >> emissions.
> > > >> It might do this by adsorption of teh NO2, or it might help
> > create> >> different "soil mechanics" that result in retention of
> > the NO2 as NO4.
> > > >>
> > > >> Additionally, there might be a significant absorption of what
> > would> >> otherwise be "manure tea", that might leach away.
> > > >>
> > > >> Please keep us posted on anything else you might find.
> > > >>
> > > >> Best wishes,
> > > >>
> > > >> Kevin
> > > >>
> > > >
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