[Terrapreta] Making charcoal in a barrel

Gerald Van Koeverden vnkvrdn at yahoo.ca
Sat Sep 22 22:52:20 EDT 2007


rob,

I don't understand how you can produce char without any method of  
keeping the oxygen out of the system??  If such a simple system could  
work, it'd be dead easy to adapt it to into a process for continuous  
field charring of crop residues...Maybe I'm misunderstanding it??

Gerrit


On 22-Sep-07, at 12:24 AM, Robert Flanagan wrote:

> Dear David,
>
> If your going to go ahead and make charcoal in a barrel then I'll  
> give you a simple method to get you on your way.
>
> First if possible cut and dry the biomass by leaving it in the sun  
> for a few weeks.
> Then you'll need a 55gallon drum, long handled spade and some matches.
> Place your barrel on it's side on the ground facing into the wind  
> if possible and put some biomass inside (1/3 full).
> Then light a fire under the biomass at the opening of the barrel  
> and allow the fire to build until you've got a good fire going with  
> lots of glowing embers.
> Then using the spade push the embers into the barrel and add more  
> biomass (The goal here is to keep a flame to burn as much off  
> gasses as possible so only add biomass a bit at a time)
> Keep doing this until you have a good quantity of char then using  
> the spade lift the barrel upright.
> Again start adding biomass and once it looks like it's all on fire  
> knock it back down into the barrel with the spade and add more  
> biomass.
> You can keep doing this until your barrel in full of char.
> Then put a lid on top and maybe weigh the lid down with a block and  
> leave for several hours to cool down.
>
> The charcoal produced in this method will have a higher ash content  
> but should be fine for your home experiments.
>
> Best of luck,
> Rob.
>
>
> On 9/22/07, David Yarrow <dyarrow at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> actually, i'd like to respectfully disagree with robert.  and yet  
> agree with
> his more fundamental logic that the amazonian natives didn't  
> charcoal trees.
> but they didn't just charcoal corn stalks, either.
>
> i recall nearly 40 years ago i learned how to make earthenware  
> pottery from
> a man who lived many years with the navajo in the southwestern  
> states.  he
> fired his pottery in a pit with cow pies.  i was amazed they would  
> even
> burn, and even more amazed how hot they could get.  then he should  
> me how to
> damp down the glowering pit of redhot cowpies and create a reducing  
> fire to
> turn the pottery black.
>
> when i moved into my 190-year-old farmhouse 10 years ago, i could  
> see the
> soil was wasted, wornout and depleted from the ratty lawn and poor  
> diversity
> of plant species.  my neighbor, who grew up in my house, saw me  
> starting a
> garden and came over to warn me i wouldn't get anything to grow.  i  
> thanked
> him and continued doing what i had learned to do to create fertile  
> topsoil.
>
> these days, i have milkweed, valerian, goosefoot, other weeds that  
> reach 5
> to 8 foot tall, with sout, sturdy stems.  and the bamboo and  
> rosebushes!!
> even my pokeweed grows into giant bushes.  and the trees that once  
> barely
> grew are blooming like mad, making multitudes of seeds which fall  
> on fertile
> soil and sprout like mad into sapling weed trees.  all this before  
> i found
> out about charcoal.
>
> so my once wasted and weak soil is now busting out with bioversity and
> biomass all through the growing season.  i am still amazed how each  
> spring
> when the snow melts, the flat soil erupts in green growth that soon  
> soars up
> to and over my head.  since much of this annual outburst of growth is
> "weeds," i have an abundance of biomass to harvest and stuff in a
> pyrolyer -- or pottery kiln.  long before i get to harvesting  
> cornstalks, i
> could have barrels of charcoal ready to spread -- most of it fine  
> textured,
> and easily crushed into powder without metal tools or power  
> equipment.  and
> absolutely no reason to cut down any trees to make firewood or  
> charcoal.
>
> i seriously, thoroughly doubt the amazon tribes needed to cut down  
> trees
> just to make charcoal.  if nothing else, it was far too much work.
>
> David Yarrow
> "If yer not forest, yer against us."
> Turtle EyeLand Sanctuary
> 44 Gilligan Road, East Greenbush, NY 12061
> dyarrow at nycap.rr.com
> www.championtrees.org
> www.OnondagaLakePeaceFestival.org
> www.citizenre.com/dyarrow/
> www.farmandfood.org
> www.SeaAgri.com
>
> "Happiness can be found even in the darkest of times,
> if one only remembers to turn on the light."
> -Albus Dumbledore
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Chisholm" <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Terra preta postings on arclein blog
>
>
> > Dear Sean
> >
> > Sean K. Barry wrote:
> >> Robert!
> >>
> >> YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR ASSERTION THAT  
> AMAZONIAN
> >> PEOPLE MADE ALL OF THE TERRA PRETA FROM CORN STOVER 2500 YEARS AGO!
> >> WOULD YOU PLEASE QUIT STATING THIS AS FACT?
> >
> > What would you suggest as being a more feasible, practical, or  
> likely
> > way for the natives to make char?
> >
> > Is there any reason why the char required for terra preta would  
> not be
> > made in this manner?
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Kevin
> >>
> >> SKB
> >>
> >>     ----- Original Message -----
> >>     *From:* Robert Klein <mailto: arclein at yahoo.com>
> >>     *To:* terrapreta at bioenergylists.org
> >>     <mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org >
> >>     *Sent:* Friday, September 21, 2007 4:30 PM
> >>     *Subject:* [Terrapreta] Terra preta postings on arclein blog
> >>
> >>     I thought that I would work through the 250 message
> >>     backlog from this group sitting in my inbox this
> >>     weekend.  A daunting task.  However I am pleased to
> >>     see the extensive sharing of information on forests
> >>     taking place.  I expect that I will be able to quote
> >>     some of this on my Blog.
> >>
> >>     I also sat down and developed a list of my terra preta
> >>     related postings, not all reposted to this group and
> >>     posted that on my blog.  I am including a list here
> >>     for you to peruse.  My advice is to start at the
> >>     beginning to the description of the corn stack method
> >>     of indigenous production and then jump to the end and
> >>     work backward.
> >>
> >>     I see no realistic way to economically produce terra
> >>     preta without resorting to a variation of the original
> >>     production method.  Concern was raised about the
> >>     production of methane which I see as misplaced.  In
> >>     fact, the methane will likely provide the majority of
> >>     the heat in the combustion process, but this needs to
> >>     be properly field tested.
> >>
> >>     Here you go.  While you are at it bookmark my site or
> >>     subscribe as I post daily on a range of related
> >>     subjects. Even better give me stuff to comment on.
> >>
> >>
> >>     http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/06/ 
> carbonization.html
> >>
> >>
> >> http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/06/corn-cultures- 
> bright-furure.html
> >>
> >> http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/06/total-carbon- 
> sequestration-potential.html
> >>
> >> http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/06/tropical- 
> soils_26.html
> >>
> >>
> >> http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/07/discussion- 
> with-ron-larsen-on-terra.html
> >>     http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/07/human- 
> labor.html
> >>
> >> http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/07/those- 
> amazonian-soils.html
> >>
> >> http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/07/pollutants- 
> from-carbonization.html
> >>
> >>
> >> http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/07/nutrient- 
> accumulation.html
> >>
> >> http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/07/uniqueness-of- 
> corn-culture.html
> >>     http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/07/amazon.html
> >>
> >>
> >> http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/08/heat- 
> distribution-and-terra-preta-soils.html
> >>
> >> http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/08/getting-job- 
> done-biochar-on-modern-farm.html
> >>
> >> http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/08/tom-miles- 
> comments-on-biochar.html
> >>
> >>
> >> http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/08/mel-landers- 
> and-jackie-foo-on-field.html
> >>
> >> http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/08/methane-and- 
> pottery.html
> >>
> >> http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2007/09/glopbal-corn- 
> culture.html
> >>
> >>
> >>     enjoy
> >>
> >>     arclein
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  
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