[Terrapreta] A reward system foreliminatingand/oroffsettingfossil carbon usage

[MFH]

Sean

 

Various reports indicate that:

 

a)       Gore's family home is 10,000 sq.ft

b)       Electricity use in 2006 was 191,000 KWh

c)       He owns 2 additional homes

 

191,000 KWh is 523 KWh/day. Even for a 10,000 sq ft home I doubt if the roof
area would be large enough to be able to install the required PV panels to
generate this. Irrespective, even if all his power was produced from PV
panels, 523 KWh/day is verging on the obscene.

 

In addition what about his fossil fuel use in vehicles and aircraft. And
perhaps his water use, and his waste disposal. Maybe he has on-site
treatment plants for his sewage waste, and worm farms for his organic
household waste but I've never heard that.

 

I live comfortably and without any draconian restrictions on an average of 8
KW of electricity/day, and less than 80 litres of water. I really don't know
enough about Al Gore's lifestyle to label him a hypocrite, but I'd like to
see more evidence that he's acting according to what he's preaching.

 

Max H

 

 

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From: terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org
[mailto:terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Sean K. Barry
Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2008 10:10 AM
To: Ron Larson; Greg and April
Cc: Terra Preta
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] A reward system
foreliminatingand/oroffsettingfossil carbon usage

 

Hi Greg,

 

If you are referring to Al Gore and his "carbon footprint", I think you are
wrong.  He is doing things to reduce it, even eliminate it.  He, I think,
may be one of the early persons on the planet (there are others) who can
honestly say that they have eliminated their "carbon footprint" or negated
it (he is a zero carbon net energy producer, or will be).  I'm going to be
one, too. He cannot be in the public eye and say that he has installed 30
solar panels on his home and installed geothermal energy in his home unless
he really did do this.  Doing this, you too, could become "carbon negative"
or reduce the size of your own "carbon footprint".

 

Al Gore is not the case or even an example of a person in politics who does
one thing and says another.  Far from it.  He is the most active warrior in
this campaign against GW and GCC.  He says does all of the right things and
says all of the right things regarding this issue.  You know he is and does.

 

Maybe, you just can't wrap your head around the possibility that you might
have to emulate what guys like Al Gore are doing in order for you to
survive? 

 

Regards,

 

SKB

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Greg and April <mailto:gregandapril at earthlink.net>  

To: Ron Larson <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>  

Cc: Terra Preta <mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>  

Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:15 PM

Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] A reward system for
eliminatingand/oroffsettingfossil carbon usage

 

Interspaced at the ************* .

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Ron <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>  Larson 

To: Greg and April <mailto:gregandapril at earthlink.net>  ; Terra Preta
<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>  

Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:51

Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] A reward system for eliminating
and/oroffsettingfossil carbon usage

 

Greg (cc Terra preta list)

 

    I see from a different message today that you are behind on e-mail
messages.  I sent one to you on Saturday morning that bounced, but you
should have received it via the terrapreta list.  I am guessing 

 

 

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I found it, in the possable spam folder - sorry I thought I added you to the
acept list ( still might have and it just didn't take )

 

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    In it I asked that you review several papers by Jim Hansen, in my
attempt to convert you to being a climate change believer.  Your message
below suggests I wasn't successful.  This is a second attempt.  If you find
something wrong with Hansen's logic, I'd love to hear it (and believe I
speak for a few others on the list as well).  To many of us, doing something
urgently is not being helped by terra preta list members downplaying the
possibility of man being the main cause of global warming.  I hope you can
report back your reaction to the three unpublished papers by Hansen.  Let me
know if I should re-send the citations.  They are the best, most concise,
most compelling arguments that I know of.

 

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Is this the same data that was found to have a flaw in the software that
after the year 2000 added in a warm bias - then when flawed software was
fixed the scientest involved had the original data massaged another way for
the numbers to remain the same?    I'll have to find the artical where I
read about that - it was in the last 2 years so it might take awhile.

 

 

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    I am not in this message disagreeing with what you say below (there is
some truth in there on what people, especially those on this list,  have to
do).   I just have to try again when I see words like "flim flam", "scam",
and "Al Gore types"

 

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You don't see a problem, with people making a big deal about the
environment, how much damage is being caused by all the CO2 being released
into the atmosphere - then turn around and do nothing about their lifestyle,
that could reduce their carbon footprint?

 

I have a real big problem with it.    That is the biggest form of " Do as I
say, not what I do " BS that I have ever seen.

 

Me?    I respect you and commend you and the others that believe in the CO2
issue, and actually live in ways that they believe is proper for the
situation - as for Al Gore and the other phony environmentalists, it will be
a frozen day in Hades before I ever believe them.

 

In short, I am a skeptic on this issue, and the fact that flawed data or
flawed data handling went for years with being promoted before the flaw was
found, only reinforces my belief that the scientists promoting it, are
promoting the latest scientific fad with out checking all the data.  

 

Greg H.

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