[Terrapreta] Ice-age anyone?

[Mark Ludlow]

You got it Lou!

 

When someone starts telling me that it's all out of our hands and ability to
affect, I throw up my hands. We're not going to change solar cycles. But we
do have it within our means to be less potentially disruptive here on earth.

 

After we've done what we can do, then we take our chances, as all species
did during the previous 5 (or more) great extinctions on earth.

 

Mark

 

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From: terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org
[mailto:terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of lou gold
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 12:26 PM
To: Ron Larson
Cc: terra pretta group
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Ice-age anyone?

 

Denial, skepticism and odd takes have always been part of the great weather
story. The fact that they are duly represented here by a small minority
should come neither as a surprise nor as an indicator that they are embraced
generally by the readers of the forum.

We could take Bob Dylan's advice -- "you don't need a weatherman to know the
wind blows" or, if you need more, try the trick of "mind over matter" -- pay
it no mind and it won't matter.

hugs to all,

lou






On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Ron Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net>
wrote:

Terra Preta List Members:

I write because I think it is exceedingly counter productive to the growth
of biochar activity to allow the idea of an ice age to have any credence.
Kurt's cited reference (Phil Chapman) said something I believe to be a big
lie (Chapman, not Kurt).  I do not use the word lie loosely - minimum
research shows the direct opposite.  The lie from Chapman I claim was:

    All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate
Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in
New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote
Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in
2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and
it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon
recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over. 

    Going through each of these one by one:

 

1.  NASA (GISS) at http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/ says that 2007
was the second highest temperature year on record.  The year 2007 number has
been obtained using methodologies that have been in place for decades.

 

2.  The Hadley Center  at 

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20080103.html

put 2007 a little lower in ranking - but still a high year.  See also

http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/18/hadley-center-to-delayers-deniers-piel
ke-global-warming-not-cooling/

 

3.  The Christy group at the University of Alabama (Huntsville) was much
harder to find.   See http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/atmos/christy.html.    As
near as I can tell, Dr. John Christy does not report on world average
temperature.  However, I found at

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=903   

    "While he now acknowledges that global warming is real and the human
contribution is significant, Christy has been a long-time skeptic who
previously argued that satellite climate data do not show a trend toward
global warming, and even show cooling in some areas. His findings have been
widely disputed. Christy now asserts that global warming will have
beneficial effects on the planet and that increased CO2 emissions from human
activities are a net positive."

    (Needless to say I find his change positive. but believe his conclusion
that warming is beneficial to be ludicrous. In any case, I doubt he is a
reasonable authority to cite on global cooling.)

 

4.  Remote Sensing Systems Inc capabilities are at http://www.remss.com/.  I
did not find a data base on world average temperatures.  There is one
satellite data base on sea surface temperature and they report that
temperature has been going down slightly recently.  But as I trust the first
two authorities on world average, this can only mean that on-land
temperatures are increasing even faster than the average - and this is where
w temperature would see the biggest impact of an (totally implausible) ice
age.

 

    In conclusion,  I urge our terra preta group to really get behind the
idea of warming as a big problem - that can probably only be stopped and
reversed in the near term with a combination of urgent forestry re-growth
and biochar.  If you aren't yet convinced about unconscionable warming , you
must not yet have read the latest still-un-published Hansen material.  I
just tried to get back to it at  http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1126  and the
Supporting Material at: http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1135 , but only got
"access denied".  Anyone know of where else these might be?  (I have them,
but want others to also.)

 

Ron

 

 

SNIPPING MATERIAL FROM SEAN, MARK, AND KURT  - ALL TODAY.


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