[Terrapreta] Ice-age anyone?

[lou gold]

yep, Mark.

but I misquoted Dylan.

should be, "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."



On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Mark Ludlow <mark at ludlow.com> wrote:

>  You got it Lou!
>
>
>
> When someone starts telling me that it's all out of our hands and ability
> to affect, I throw up my hands. We're not going to change solar cycles. But
> we do have it within our means to be less potentially disruptive here on
> earth.
>
>
>
> After we've done what we can do, then we take our chances, as all species
> did during the previous 5 (or more) great extinctions on earth.
>
>
>
> Mark
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>
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> *From:* terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org [mailto:
> terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org] *On Behalf Of *lou gold
> *Sent:* Friday, April 25, 2008 12:26 PM
> *To:* Ron Larson
> *Cc:* terra pretta group
> *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] Ice-age anyone?
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> Denial, skepticism and odd takes have always been part of the great weather
> story. The fact that they are duly represented here by a small minority
> should come neither as a surprise nor as an indicator that they are embraced
> generally by the readers of the forum.
>
>
> We could take Bob Dylan's advice -- "you don't need a weatherman to know
> the wind blows" or, if you need more, try the trick of "mind over matter" --
> pay it no mind and it won't matter.
>
> hugs to all,
>
> lou
>
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Ron Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> Terra Preta List Members:
>
> I write because I think it is exceedingly counter productive to the growth
> of biochar activity to allow the idea of an ice age to have any credence.
> Kurt's cited reference (Phil Chapman) said something I believe to be a big
> lie (Chapman, not Kurt).  I do not use the word lie loosely - minimum
> research shows the direct opposite.  The lie from Chapman I claim was:
>
>     *All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate
> Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in
> New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote
> Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in
> 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and
> it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon
> recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over. *
>
>     Going through each of these one by one:
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>
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> 1.  NASA (GISS) at http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/ says that 2007
> was the second highest temperature year on record.  The year 2007 number has
> been obtained using methodologies that have been in place for decades.
>
>
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> 2.  The Hadley Center  at
>
> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20080103.html
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> put 2007 a little lower in ranking - but still a high year.  See also
>
>
> http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/18/hadley-center-to-delayers-deniers-pielke-global-warming-not-cooling/
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>
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> 3.  The Christy group at the University of Alabama (Huntsville) was much
> harder to find.   See http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/atmos/christy.html.    As
> near as I can tell, Dr. John Christy does not report on world average
> temperature.  However, I found at
>
> http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=903
>
>     *"While he now acknowledges that global warming is real and the human
> contribution is significant, Christy has been a long-time skeptic who
> previously argued that satellite climate data do not show a trend toward
> global warming, and even show cooling in some areas. His findings have been
> widely disputed. Christy now asserts that global warming will have
> beneficial effects on the planet and that increased CO2 emissions from human
> activities are a net positive."*
>
>     (Needless to say I find his change positive. but believe his conclusion
> that warming is beneficial to be ludicrous. In any case, I doubt he is a
> reasonable authority to cite on global cooling.)
>
>
>
> 4.  Remote Sensing Systems Inc capabilities are at http://www.remss.com/.
> I did not find a data base on world average temperatures.  There is one
> satellite data base on sea surface temperature and they
> report that temperature has been going down slightly recently.  But as I
> trust the first two authorities on world average, this can only mean that
> on-land temperatures are increasing even faster than the average - and this
> is where w temperature would see the biggest impact of an (totally
> implausible) ice age.
>
>
>
>     In conclusion,  I urge our terra preta group to really get behind the
> idea of warming as a big problem - that can probably only be stopped and
> reversed in the near term with a combination of urgent forestry re-growth
> and biochar.  If you aren't yet convinced about unconscionable warming , you
> must not yet have read the latest still-un-published Hansen material.  I
> just tried to get back to it at  http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1126  and the
> Supporting Material at: http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1135 , but only got
>  "access denied".  Anyone know of where else these might be?  (I have them,
> but want others to also.)
>
>
>
> Ron
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>
>
> SNIPPING MATERIAL FROM SEAN, MARK, AND KURT  - ALL TODAY.
>
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