[Terrapreta] Ice-age anyone?

[Sean K. Barry]

Hi Gordon,

The only reference you provide, along with your opinion piece here, is to an article written for and paid for by the "Australian Institute of Mining and Metallurgy".  This organization does not publish PEER reviewed articles.  It is certainly not reviewed by "peers" wityh backgrounds in climate science.  Has Mr. Carter ever published a "peer-reviewed" article?

Don't you think there might be some bias involved when a MINING interest publishes an "AGW Denier Article" only on its politically motivated (New Leaders?) website?

You cannot sway with biased opinion?  You try though.

Regards,

SKB

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: gordon eliott<mailto:gordoneliott0 at googlemail.com> 
  To: Peter Read<mailto:pread2 at attglobal.net> 
  Cc: Jim Joyner<mailto:jimstoy at dtccom.net> ; terra pretta group<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org> 
  Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 4:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Ice-age anyone?


  dear all - and particularly the climate jihadis,

  may i offer my understanding of the whole issue
    1.. a careful look at the temp graphs does not indicate anything out of the ordinary happening. indeed there seem to have been recent global temp falls. 
    2.. i have seen water vapour estimated at between 76% and 97% of the greenhouse gas. 
    3.. if one looks at the absorption spectra for CO2 it is clear that they are already saturated  - and that doubling the amount of CO2 will only result in tiny increases of "CO2 forcing". 
    4.. of the CO2 "churn" only about 3% can be ascribed to man. 
    5.. far more CO2 is dissolved in the oceans than the air (50 times?) 
    6.. there are all sorts of overlapping solar orbital cycles and earth axis wobble cycles. 
    7.. solar activity varies 
    8.. temp rises seem to preceed CO2 rises. 
    9.. strange things happen in space. 
    10.. ocean currents like all fluid dynamics are essentially unpredictable and it is ocean currents that are responsible for most of the heat transfers around the world. 
    11.. plate tectonics: who knows what happens with volcanic heat transfers on the sea floor. 
    12.. there are dozens of variables: computer modelers put in what are in essence opinions and therefore what they get out are in essence opinions. 
    13..  these modelers seem to have captured the IPCC. 
    14.. the part of the IPCC that wrote the summary is an intensely political body, and many of the rest of them are just along for the ride and their opinion has no more value than yours or mine. 
    15.. there are who object to the CO2 theory. this takes some courage for anyone in employment.  http://members.iinet.net.au/~glrmc/2007%2005-03%20AusIMM%20corrected.pdf<http://members.iinet.net.au/~glrmc/2007%2005-03%20AusIMM%20corrected.pdf> 
    16.. concerning the CO2 theory, it is a disaster that with so many people are being presented with bad reasons for doing some good things. 
    17.. there are lots of chat rooms where CO2 jihadis engage in combat. reminds me of the way maoists used to go for trotskyites. and versa vice. 
    18.. there are some truly interesting things getting said about terra preta. 
    19.. let them not be driven them away by all this saving the planet too hard.

  best wishes
  gordon eliott
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