[Terrapreta] modified TPI Kiln

Tue Feb 5 21:47:35 CST 2008

Sean,

Have you considered using thermoacoustics to transform the heat from  
the charcoal-kiln directly into electricity?

"The operation of the device, fuelled by burning biomass products  
such as wood or, potentially, animal dung, will rely on  
thermoacoustics — sound waves generated by the non-uniform heating of  
gas. An example of this is when hot glass vessels ‘sing’ as the glass  
is being blown. When harnessed, this phenomenon can create new energy  
conversion process possibilities. While many communities in the  
developing world cook on open fires, thermoacoustic technology could  
provide a more efficient way of using wood as a fuel — with fewer  
pollutants."

http://www.score.uk.com/research/Shared%20Documents/Articles/ 
scoreengineer.pdf

Gerrit

On 5-Feb-08, at 1:55 AM, Sean K. Barry wrote:

> Hi Gerrit,
>
> This is a very interesting link you've sent.  This modified New  
> Hampshire kiln (the Radtke Charocal Kiln) is very like the UN(FAO/ 
> TPI) kiln in its operational design, I think.  There is a clear  
> description stated on that page, about using multiple kilns  
> operated simultaneously in succeeding stages of operation.  This is  
> how I want my kilns to operate, too.  It is very interesting how  
> they use less expensive, lighter and smaller thickness materials,  
> that require no welding, and the assembly looks very simple.  The  
> catalytic converters are interesting, too.  I wonder how well they  
> work when not heated (are they heated somehow?).  They will  
> probably reduce the kiln emissions of combustibles somewhat at any  
> fairly "hot" temperature.  But outside the kiln they may be quite a  
> bit cooler.  Maybe the stacks could be insulated or inside with the  
> heat (inside the insulted kiln walls)?
>
> In my design, I want to use a sort of combined intake/exhaust  
> manifold to control the gas flows through the kiln (air in/producer  
> gas out).  I also want to make use of the energy content of the  
> combustible fuel component gases in the "producer gas" and the  
> "sensible heat" if I can.  Burning the exhaust in a catalytic  
> converter might well "clean" the emissions some, but there is no  
> capture, nor use of any of the that bio-energy (BTUs in the gases  
> or the "sensible heat").  Insulating the kiln, controlling the  
> flows of heat and gases, is what I want in my kilns/reactors.
>
> There is this nagging problem in the back of my head, that making  
> charcoal (and then putting it into the ground) is something that  
> some people will think is kind of loony.  Many people who have ever  
> made any amount of charcoal (colliers) are making it strictly as  
> fuel.  Using any charcoal making device, they could sell charcoal  
> as fuel and do far better making money with that byproduct as a  
> commodity, than watching some idiot bury that valuable charcoal  
> into the ground.  Do you see what I mean?
>
> There is only a finite amount of charcoal and/or energy that is in  
> the amount of biomass you can stuff into one of these kilns.  So, I  
> figure that logically, these "charcoal kilns" are going to have to  
> provide some energy (somehow) to replace the energy being left with  
> the charcoal-in-soil.  Otherwise, no one will provide the labor to  
> run them or they will never "waste" the charcoal fuel by putting it  
> into the ground.  They needed the energy.  They won't do the work  
> of running the kiln unless they can get it.
>
> Now, the medium to low BTU "produce gas" and the "sensible heat"  
> are the only other energy in the pyrolysis reaction that are left  
> to tap into, if you are truly not going to burn up the charcoal  
> byproduct as fuel (and release the energy it contains).  This  
> gaseous fuel & heat energy can be up to ~40-60% of the original  
> energy content of the feedstock batch, depending on the efficiency  
> of the biomass-to-charcoal process.
>
> Higher charcoal yield means less BTUs in the gas and/or less heat.   
> The ratio of the three: charcoal, fuel gases, and "sensible heat"  
> is highly dependent on the design and operation of the kiln.   
> Inefficiencies in heat management, or fuel gas losses, improper air  
> input, or improper monitoring and control of the reactor (kiln)  
> temperatures can all effect this ratio of byproducts from the kilns  
> operation.
>
> If the overall objective is to make charcoal, do it cleanly and  
> efficiently, and get some usable bio-energy out of the process,  
> then the device has a chance of making charcoal for use in soil.   
> Without the supplemental conversion of biomass energy to usable  
> power or heat, then these kilns will more than likely be used ONLY  
> to make charcoal as fuel.
>
> To be sure, 'tis better to burn charcoal-as-fuel, than coal, oil,  
> gasoline, diesel, or any other carbonated fossil fuel.  But, in the  
> race to remove CO2 from the atmosphere and reduce atmospheric GHG  
> levels, though, renewable biomass energy sources alone isn't up to  
> that task.  Using these versus fossil fuels will only slow our  
> demise.  Then, this charcoal-in-soil Terra Preta thing also just  
> simply needs the charcoal.
>
> We can't do both charcoal-as-fuel and charcoal-in-soil.  I pick the  
> latter, with charcoal made in simple kilns, by lots and lots of  
> people, simple people, who do it because they need energy.  They  
> will see that they can use the kiln to provide the energy source  
> and will leave the charcoal for the soil.  If it all works out  
> right, this improves the soil around their homes (not degrades the  
> air quality) and it will make growing and getting food easier for  
> them, too.
>
> Who can see this grand plan?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> SKB
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerald Van Koeverden
> To: Sean K. Barry
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:47 PM
> Subject: modified TPI Kiln
>
> Sean,
>
> I was curious about the modifications you envision to make the TPI  
> Kiln.  (I have visited the website for it)
>
> I see that Radke is using "six-inch diameter disc-shaped catalytic  
> converters...available from many heating supply dealers"
>
> http://iron.wlu.edu/reports/Radtke_Charcoal_Kiln.htm
>
> "The next phase of the project will complete the design and build  
> up of the transportable reactor, the “Clean Charcoal Kiln” (CCK).   
> It is a modification of a design from a United Nations, Food &  
> Agriculture Organization / Tropical Products Institute (UN FAO/TPI)  
> transportable metal kiln.  The kiln design is retrofitted with an  
> external manifold, which is used to capture the energetic “producer  
> gas” and prevent the release of the potent GHG, Methane-CH4."
> On 3-Feb-08, at 10:34 PM, Sean K. Barry wrote:
>
>> Dear 'terrapreta' list members,
>>
>> Back in December 2007, Erich Knight cited to this list a funding  
>> opportunity with a US Government Grant Program, that is managed by  
>> the Wood Education and Resource Center, a division of the US  
>> Forest Service.  Applications for this grant opportunity are due  
>> tomorrow, Monday, February 4, 2008.  I have attached a copy of  
>> their "Request for Proposals" document and a copy of a near final  
>> draft of my application.
>>
>> Part of the grant application process asks applicants to show  
>> support for their project proposals from industry, academia, and  
>> other interested organizations.  I know this is very short notice  
>> (the application is due tomorrow!).  If any of you would review  
>> these materials I've attached and if you think you could write a  
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>> attach some "letters of support" with my grant application  
>> submission tomorrow.  I would be very grateful for any help from  
>> the members here.  I would also enjoy fielding any comments from  
>> anyone about this.
>>
>> Always Best Regards,
>>
>> Sean K. Barry
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>> Troposphere Energy, LLC
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>>
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