[Terrapreta] no instantaneousness = no overnight

[Kevin Chisholm]

Dear Sean

Sean K. Barry wrote:
> Hi Francoise,
>  
> So, that first sentence you quoted from me does not count.  You count 
> the one I put the "Maybe ... in front of?
>  
> Thanks for reading me so correctly.  Ask Dr Steiner or Dr, Lehmann if 
> they were just making up the 290% improvement in plant productivity 
> seen in a single growing season.  Maybe Danny Day exaggerated, too.

I think the spectacular first year results reported by Drs Steiner, 
Lehman, and Day  were as a result of fertilizers added with the char, 
and not the char itself. A fair comparison would be to compare the 
results from the Control Plot, with the results from the Charcoal Only 
plot. In one of Dr. Steiner's Tests, I believe he had test plots as follows:
Control
Control + Char
Control + Compost
Control + Fertilizer
Control + Char + Fertilizer
Control + Compost + Fertilizer
Control + Compost + Char + Fertilizer.
etc...

I further believe that they did not expect significant first year 
improvements with the char, but rather, they were looking to demonstrate 
the enhanced nutrient retention characteristics of Char, and they 
expected best results in 3 to 4 years.

Please correct me if I am in error.

Kevin
>  
> Regards,
>  
> SKB
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* francoise precy <mailto:f.precy at hotmail.co.uk>
>     *To:* Sean K. Barry <mailto:sean.barry at juno.com> ; Terra Preta
>     <mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org> ; Michael Bailes
>     <mailto:michaelangelica at gmail.com>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, June 01, 2008 11:11 PM
>     *Subject:* no instantaneousness = no overnight
>
>
>     Hello Sean
>
>     "I'm quite sure I never said putting charcoal into soil
>     "instantaneously" makes it into Terra Preta soil. If you think so,
>     then show me the post where I said that.":
>     Soil-wise, "overnight" = "instantaneous" =unbalanced approach.
>
>     Message: 5
>     Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:43:24 -0500
>     From: "Sean K. Barry"
>     Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Old native earth ovens.
>     To: "'Kurt Treutlein'" , "'terra pretta group'"
>     , "MFH"
>
>     Hi Max,
>
>     ...
>     I suspect making Amazon style TP soils would take quite a long
>     time. Its just a thought though. Maybe the effect could be made to
>     happen overnight or in a single growing season with one
>     application of the "right stuff", too. Who knows?
>
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