[Terrapreta] Global Warming arguments
Biopact
biopact at biopact.com
Sat Jun 7 06:04:29 CDT 2008
Okay, most articles about biochar written by Lehmann, Steiner, Van Zwieten, Hansen, Mingxin Guo, or Woolf, put biochar into the very explicit context of climate change. It is seen as a strategy to reduce N2O, CH4 and CO2 emissions, to sequester C, to scrub CO2 out of the atmosphere, to reduce mineral fertilizer use or make it more efficient, and to reduce deforestation in the tropics as well as to displace fossil fuels by syngas obtained from pyrolysing biomass.
I mean, can you get any more involved in climate change mitigation?
Maybe we need separate mailing lists:
-one for people who want to discuss biochar effects in soils only
-one for people who want to discuss ways to implement biochar projects as they relate to carbon markets and as a solution to climate change
-one for people who are working on pyrolysis/gasification systems needed to make biochar
I don't understand why we can't discuss all these issues in the same list, though. All these issues are equally relevant to making the biochar concept work.
I do agree that we don't have to debate the science of climate change in general; this science is well established.
But we do need to pay attention when scientists suggest mitigation options. Because Terra Preta is a climate change mitigation option. Wouldn't you agree?
Cheers,
Lorenzo
----- Original Message -----
From: David Yarrow
To: terrapreta at bioenergylists.org
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Global Warming arguments
well, my 3-finger typing screwed that up right in the first paragraph, which should read:
please show some restraint and discipline before burning up bandwidth debating issues we CAN'T resolve.
for a green & peaceful planet,
David Yarrow
44 Gilligan Rd, E Greenbush, NY 12061
www.championtrees.org
www.OnondagaLakePeaceFestival.org
www.farmandfood.org
www.SeaAgri.com
----- Original Message -----
From: David Yarrow
To: terrapreta at bioenergylists.org
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Global Warming arguments
i agree with moderator michael. please show some restraint and discipline before burning up bandwidth debating issues we can resolve. facts are useful. arguments are boring, wasteful and generally fruitless.
my request is if anyone wants to argue GW data and theory, do it offline, not on this list. if anyone wants to post important notices of the evolution of our understanding of this serious issue, just give us the facts.
for terra preta, the reality is terra preta has little to do with global warming. and although terra preta is an excellent foundation for a sustainable food system, by itself, biochar will never get started or go very far in the current oil-addicted, corporate-manipulated marketplace.
in the 80s i helped start the organic food system, and its certification system, and even though organic farming is far more ecologically benign than chemical-dependent agribusiness, i know organic farming only grew because of strong, steady consumers demand. but convincing those same consumers to buy "carbon-negative" food" from biochar-enriched soil will be a far more challenging education and promotion effort.
however, the #1 reason terra preta is likely to spread rapidly and globaly is climate change, and the need to sequester carbon. necessity remains the mother of invention, and climate change injects urgency as well as necessity into the equation.
but how about selling those same consumers "nutrient dense" food?
for a green & peaceful planet,
David Yarrow
44 Gilligan Rd, E Greenbush, NY 12061
www.championtrees.org
www.OnondagaLakePeaceFestival.org
www.farmandfood.org
www.SeaAgri.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Bailes
To: lou gold
Cc: Terra Preta
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Global Warming arguments
I just posted this separately but it should have gone in this conversation:
Many scientists say we may only have 10 to 20 years to slow down climate change. Do you believe that?
Kamen: I'm not competent to give an answer to that. The good news is, instead of having great debate, why don't we all just say, let's be more efficient, let's use less fuel and do less damage to the environment. Let's make it a goal that we will continue to minimize all these negative effects, and we all win with it.
http://news.cnet.com/Segway-inventor-scoots-to-bigger-matters/2008-11395_3-6140227.html
It is just That GW arguments can get bogged down with 'Denialists' Vrs 'Doomsdayists'.
There are plenty of forums to argue those cases and I wouldn't like to see this forum/list bogged down in endless arguments one way or the other.
Arguments about the relevance and effectiveness of of TP and charcoal to GW, yes; but not general Global Warming issues and debates.
Michael
2008/6/6 lou gold <lou.gold at gmail.com>:
> YES to all, Michael, as long as it does not preclude telling the story and
> rationalizing the technologies in ways that maximize the potential for
> capturing carbon credits by all -- including the rich and the poor, as well
> as the believers and the unbelievers in AGW.
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> I am quite certain that most skeptics will be happy to avail themselves of
> economic opportunities if they are positioned to do so.
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> hugs, lou
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> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Michael Bailes <michaelangelica at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Some global warming links
>> http://geology.com/news/2007/global-warming-cartoon-series-from-npr.shtml
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>> Should we agree to disagree about whether Global warming is a fact or not?
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>> Surely just saving resources (water, fertiliser ) and increased crop
>> production is enough to be going on with?
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>> There are so many debates on -line about whether global warming is
>> happening or not
>> Do we need another here?
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>> Regardless, isn't it wise to husband/save our resources despite the
>> predictions of dire gloom?
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>> --
>> Michael the Archangel
>> "Politicians will never solve The Problem;
>> because they don't realise they are The Problem.".
>> -Robert ( Bob ) Parsons 1995
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