[Terrapreta] Pee and Poo Was: Re: Academies of Science Call Industrialized Countriesto Lead Climate Challenge

[Kevin Chisholm]

Dear Folke

Thanks very much for your helpful comments. I found your Paper (URL below) to be fascinating and very helpful. In our efforts to promote recycling of nutrients, certainly it is safer to start with pee, and when they are comfortable with that, one could graduate to recycling composted poo. 

Best wishes,

Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: folke Günther 
  To: Kevin Chisholm 
  Cc: lou gold ; David Yarrow ; terrapreta at bioenergylists.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Pee and Poo Was: Re: Academies of Science Call Industrialized Countriesto Lead Climate Challenge


  Actually, the nutrient content of urine (per volume!) is about the same as in the faeces.Table on my homepage. Moreover, the urine is sterile when it leaves he body (unless you have a problem with blood-poisoning, but that you ought to be aware of).
  But fresh urine is rather concentrated. You should dilute it with about ten times its volume of water before you use it, in order not to 'burn' the plants.
  I would say that it is a waste of valuable nutrients to pee directly on the beans. Better is to pee in a bucket with char, an the take the char to put on the compost or into the soil (for other plants). Then, take the remaining liquid an give to the beans.The char prefer nitrogen before phosphorus, and the beans can fix the nitrogen themselves.
  FG


  2008/6/11 Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>:

    Dear Lou

    The Western Culture seems to have an irrational phobia against pee and poo. I grow a few pole beans every year, just to see how high I can get them. I pee on them, and it works. I grew one last year that was more than 20 feet tall. Everyone I have told about my "secret" says "You aren't going to eat the beans, are you?" Everyone. Yet these same people will eat food grown with the benefit of poisonous chemicals.

    There is a deeper problem that has to be addressed.

    Kevin
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: lou gold 
      To: David Yarrow 
      Cc: terrapreta at bioenergylists.org 
      Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:05 PM
      Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Academies of Science Call Industrialized Countriesto Lead Climate Challenge


      To add to your good words David, I would say that it could be difficult to get lay folks to really understand the incredible community of life in soils. Perhaps, it would be easier to focus on gaining an understanding that the relationship on-top-of and inside-of the earth needs to be reciprocal. As a storyteller, I've generally had better success with the concept of reciprocity and with the micro hard-to-see realities. 

      Connecting to the "poo" discussions, I think it's easy to get people to see that when waste is returned to the earth properly, that the resulting reciprocity is beneficial. "From waste to resource" is an easy to understand slogan and I think it could be usefully linked to biochar.

      Just some thoughts.

      hugs,

      lou




      On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:19 PM, David Yarrow <dyarrow at nycap.rr.com> wrote:

        more front line news about the accelerating consensus toward action on climate change.  

        however, still no mention of "carbon-negative", "food footprint" or "soil sequestration", much less likely: "biochar."

        seems the brightest minds in the highest places still don't have a clear focus on fundamental factors in ecological viability and climate stability: soil fertility, where fertility is not measured as inventory of chemical components, but as a biological community -- the "microbial reef" -- invisibly tiny living complexity that inhabits the thin skin of the land and supports all the larger, younger lifeforms.

        but they're funding the scientists who are piecing the puzzle together again.


        G8 Academies of Science 
        Call on Industrialized Countries 
        to Lead Climate Challenge 
        By Andrew C. Revkin, NYTimes, June 11, 2008
        http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/world/11climate.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

        The scientific academies of 13 countries on Tuesday urged the world to act more forcefully to limit the threat posed by human-driven global warming. In a joint statement, the academies of the Group of 8 industrialized countries -- Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States -- and of Brazil, China, India, Mexico and South Africa called on the industrialized countries to lead a 'transition to a low-carbon society' and aggressively move to limit impacts from changes in climate that are already under way and impossible to stop. 

        The statement [PDF, 2 pp], posted by the Nation Academy of Science in the United States, urged the Group of 8 countries to move beyond last year's pledge to consider halving global emissions of greenhouse gases by 2050 and 'make maximum efforts' to reach this target."

        http://www.nationalacademies.org/includes/climatechangestatement.pdf

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