[Terrapreta] Your input needed: "Soil health" at Roundtable on Sustainable Biofuels

[lou gold]

Hi Kevin,

Don't you think we agree on the need to tie the four together?

If they are separated (as you point out) there will be no biochar. That's
why I said they needed to be tied together. I didn't mean to imply they they
were (automatically) tied together.



On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>
wrote:

> Dear Lou
>
> lou gold wrote:
>
> > I think we totally agree that the solution takes the form of tying
> > biofuel production to biochar, waste management and soil restoration.
> > Otherwise it will be just another "new variable" binge as fossil fuel was.
> >
>
> I certainly don't agree with that at all. There are 4 issues here:
> 1: Biofuel
> 2: Biochar
> 3: Waste Management
> 4: Soil restoration.
>
> What happens if someone wants to make ethanol from cellulose? There is no
> biochar, and there is no soil restoration component.
>
> What happens if the economics of adding biochar to soil are not
> favourable?
>
> On the other hand, they may very well want to work together in an
> economically supportive manner. At the present, I just don't know. Perhaps
> others know, but I don't.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Kevin
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Michael Bailes <
> > michaelangelica at gmail.com <mailto:michaelangelica at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >         BIG ENERGY
> >        OK
> >    I just get the feeling that the hysterical anti-biofuels stuff is
> >    being orchestrated, like the tobacco lobby.
> >    Certainly there have been some early 'cock-ups' and subsiding corn
> >    ethanol is a bit stupid.
> >    (But the more everyone winges about Western- USA, EU, Japan,
> >    Korea, Aust.-subsidies the more things stay the same).
> >    Bio-fuels *have *to be a stop-gap measure for the planet, till we
> >    invent something better.
> >    Unfortuanely the 'bum rap' biofuels are getting in the States is
> >    rubbing off on sugar-cane ethanol here.  Only one or two states
> >    have mandated 10% ethanol and we do not have our own souce of fuel
> >    oil. It is all imported.
> >    Biofuels have the *potential *to take our fuel supplies out of the
> >    hands of a dozen companies/counties /people and making
> >    countless-thousand, little businesses and happy farmers.
> >    m :twocents:
> >
> >
> >
> >        It's important to note that the subsidies (or tariffs) for US
> >        ethanol go to both oil companies and corn farming. Today, the
> >        NY Times editorialized against continued support for US corn
> >        ethanol: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/opinion/11sun1.html?hp
> >
> >        On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Michael Bailes
> >        <michaelangelica at gmail.com <mailto:michaelangelica at gmail.com>>
> >        wrote:
> >
> >            You may be interested in this
> >
> > http://hypography.com/forums/terra-preta/11716-what-plants-might-grown-just-bio.html
> >
> >            Dynamotive is producing Bio-oil from pyrolysis and is
> >            experimenting with it as a soil amendment-fertiliser-additive
> >            Michael
> >
> >            BIG OIL does not like biofuels; Do they?
> >
> >            2008/5/1 Laurens Rademakers <lrademakers at biopact.com
> >            <mailto:lrademakers at biopact.com>>:
> >
> >                Hi,
> >                I'm part of the Roundtable on Sustainable Biofuels (at
> >                the Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne's Energy
> >                Center), which is developing social, environmental and
> >                other sustainability criteria for biofuels. It does so
> >                in a set of discussion groups
> >
> >
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> >    "Politicians will never solve The Problem;
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