[Terrapreta] Your input needed: "Soil health" atRoundtableonSustainable Biofuels

[lou gold]

Sean,

China has a one-child-per-couple rule brutally enforced. Never-the-less,
their economic development is proceeding so rapidly that they are adding one
major coal-fired energy plant each week.

India does not have population control but urbanization is limiting family
size. Indeed, the worldwide studies now show that urbanization is the single
most important variable in the population equation (less labor needed for
subsistence farming, more access to education, more control by women over
their own bodies, etc). But there is now a growing middle-class practice of
detecting embryo gender and aborting the girls.

There are other costs as well -- urban dwellers are less connected to nature
and can easily develop habits that have no ecological sensitivity and one of
the main reasons that people limit family size is so they can become bigger
consumers (a new car instead of a new child). It is difficult to know
exactly how all the variables interact into a bottom-line load on the
carrying-capacity of the earth. But chances are that less stress (better
lives) will result in fewer children.

On the lighter side, check this out
http://www.pangeaday.org/filmDetail.php?id=3

hugs,

lou




On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Sean K. Barry <sean.barry at juno.com> wrote:

>  Hi Michael, Max,
>
> Population control is underway in places like China already, right?  Don't
> they have a two child maximum per couple?  ANd why a precience for girls
> versus boys I don't know.  Maybe its girls who are better able to manage
> that "Ban f**cking" rule?  I could suspect this will become more and more of
> a reality in many places (with military or tyrannical rule).  I think that
> populations suffering from high mortality rates under food stress do the
> opposite, however.  Starving people, it seems, can breed themselves right
> into extinction.  This is one of the "bennies" of living that we in the
> developed world have given as a gift to the developing world.
>
> What will you and your mate do, if your children were dying of hunger and
> thirst?
>
> Regards,
>
> SKB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael Bailes <michaelangelica at gmail.com>
> *To:* MFH <mfh01 at bigpond.net.au> ; Terra Preta<terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 3:50 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] Your input needed: "Soil health"
> atRoundtableonSustainable Biofuels
>
> Ban
> F**king?
> m:)
>
> 2008/5/12 MFH <mfh01 at bigpond.net.au>:
>
> >
> >
> > "Then again we could reduce the population of the planet by a billion or
> > two" – absolutely. How?
> >
> >
> >
> > Max H
> >
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org [mailto:
> > terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Bailes
> > *Sent:* Monday, 12 May 2008 6:02 PM
> > *To:* Sean K. Barry; Terra Preta
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] Your input needed: "Soil health" at
> > RoundtableonSustainable Biofuels
> >
> >
> >
> > "shitfor-brains use "
> > LOLOLOLOLOOl olololololo:0 :) LOL still laughing LOLOL :)
> >
> > O dear
> > Why are we the only intelligent ones????
> > LOLOLOLO(LOLOl :))
> >
> > Hydrogen is probably the only answer?
> >  Then again we could reduce the population of the planet by a billion or
> > two; and not all expect to ride around in SUVs
> > m
> >
> > 2008/5/12 Sean K. Barry <sean.barry at juno.com>:
> >
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> >
> >
> > I just read today, that Minnesota is going to increase the mandated % of
> > biodiesel in the diesel fuel supply sold in Minnesota up from 2% to 5% this
> > year and then to 10% and 20% within the next five years.
> >
> >
> >
> > Soy based diesel is another subsidized shitfor-brains use of food crops
> > to make fuel, but the subsidies do push the business.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > SKB
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > *From:* Michael Bailes <michaelangelica at gmail.com>
> >
> > *To:* lou gold <lou.gold at gmail.com> ; Terra Preta<terrapreta at bioenergylists.org>
> >
> > *Sent:* Sunday, May 11, 2008 9:18 PM
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] Your input needed: "Soil health" at
> > Roundtable onSustainable Biofuels
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  BIG ENERGY
> >
> >
> >
> > OK
> >
> > I just get the feeling that the hysterical anti-biofuels stuff is being
> > orchestrated, like the tobacco lobby.
> > Certainly there have been some early 'cock-ups' and subsiding corn
> > ethanol is a bit stupid.
> > (But the more everyone winges about Western- USA, EU, Japan, Korea,
> > Aust.-subsidies the more things stay the same).
> > Bio-fuels *have *to be a stop-gap measure for the planet, till we invent
> > something better.
> > Unfortuanely the 'bum rap' biofuels are getting in the States is rubbing
> > off on sugar-cane ethanol here.  Only one or two states have mandated 10%
> > ethanol and we do not have our own souce of fuel oil. It is all imported.
> > Biofuels have the *potential *to take our fuel supplies out of the hands
> > of a dozen companies/counties /people and making countless-thousand, little
> > businesses and happy farmers.
> > m [image: :twocents:]
> >
> >
> >
> > It's important to note that the subsidies (or tariffs) for US ethanol go
> > to both oil companies and corn farming. Today, the NY Times editorialized
> > against continued support for US corn ethanol:
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/opinion/11sun1.html?hp
> >
> > On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Michael Bailes <
> > michaelangelica at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  You may be interested in this
> >
> > http://hypography.com/forums/terra-preta/11716-what-plants-might-grown-just-bio.html
> >
> > Dynamotive is producing Bio-oil from pyrolysis and is experimenting with
> > it as a soil amendment-fertiliser-additive
> > Michael
> >
> > BIG OIL does not like biofuels; Do they?
> >
> > 2008/5/1 Laurens Rademakers <lrademakers at biopact.com>:
> >
> >  Hi,
> >
> > I'm part of the Roundtable on Sustainable Biofuels (at the Ecole
> > Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne's Energy Center), which is developing
> > social, environmental and other sustainability criteria for biofuels. It
> > does so in a set of discussion groups
> >
> >
> >
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