[Terrapreta] Plant reaction to stress

[lou gold]

Nikolaus,

We agree. I was addressing someone else's notion of altruism. I forget who.
But somehow we all got onto the same page in a good way.

yes, endless iterations. an excellent response to the inevitability of
change.

viva  natureza!

On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Nikolaus Foidl <nfoidl at desa.com.bo> wrote:

>  Hi Lou!
>
> I can agree on that. My mention is more focused on a monoculture
> observation were lot of those mutuality's are different and maybe somehow
> out of natural balance. As well I would not say what plants are doing is
> anthropocentric altruism, I would say it is over million of years
> practicised iteration with every step introducing new selection criteria.
> The end result is a steady moving multifactor optimized behavior. We as
> humanity are passing the first steps of iterations at the moment(the program
> just started and surprisingly we are still in the game) and are still far
> away from being optimized. There are at least several thousand more
> iteration steps with several more factors needed to find out where are our
> optimized result field is in this planet.
> Regards Nikolaus
>
> On 5/12/08 12:43 PM, "Sean K. Barry" <sean.barry at juno.com> wrote:
>
> Cool.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* lou gold <mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com> <lou.gold at gmail.com>
>
> *To:* Sean K. Barry <mailto:sean.barry at juno.com> <sean.barry at juno.com>
>
> *Cc:* terrapreta at bioenergylists.org  ; Nikolaus  Foidl
> <mailto:nfoidl at desa.com.bo> <nfoidl at desa.com.bo>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 11:14 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] Plant reaction  to stress
>
>
> Hi Sean,
>
> Actually plant communities do evolve toward  mutuality. In my old Oregon
> forests a serious disturbance like a  stand-removing fire will be
> regenerated first by a colonizing mono-crop of  Douglas fir. Later, as a
> result of many factors, it will diversify into a  full-species-range of an
> old growth forest whose resilience is based on lots  of checks-and-balances
> and mutualities. No, it's not anthropocentric altruism.  It's something much
> more powerful and natural -- a network of recycling  sustainable life.
>
> hugs,
>
> lou
>
>
> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Sean K. Barry <sean.barry at juno.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Nikolaus,
>
>
>
> I really appreciate your "on the spot" comments.  You are in a  somewhat
> unique position, with probably a very healthy agronomist's  experience and
> direct involvement so much with agricultural  production.  You make a very
> interesting point here about how the human  species acts when under stress.
>  This may help answer for the reasons  why humans are such an adaptable
> species.  We might possibly benefit  from more forward looking and concern
> for the well fare of future  generations of our species.  I think so.  This
> "fend for yourself  and only the others now around you" mentality smacks of
> selfishness and  minimal effort to me.  It is the the good old "American Way
> of Life",  heh?!  It might be good for plants or more primitive animal
> species,  who need only for themselves to survive, or can't think of or
> beyond their  own living existence.  But, I think that humans working for
> the benefit  of the yet to be conceived and born other humans is a good
> thing and perhaps  one of the greatest tools that humans can use to survive
> as species.   Wouldn't it be great if we could train other species to do
> likewise?   Better yet, train other species to support our lives better,
> because we  support theirs.  Maybe some of the people involved in animal
> husbandry  think they are doing this already?
>
>
>
> I doubt we will educate plants to this sort of "altruistic"  career.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> SKB
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----  Original Message -----
>
> *From:*  Nikolaus Foidl <mailto:nfoidl at desa.com.bo> <nfoidl at desa.com.bo>
>
> *To:*  terrapreta at bioenergylists.org
>
> *Sent:*  Monday, May 12, 2008 9:53 AM
>
> *Subject:*  [Terrapreta] Plant reaction to stress
>
>
>
> Dear SEAN,MFH!
>
> A small but essential  correction,plants when under stress under a
> continuous
> (nutrient and  other limiting factors taking in a count) inventory, decide
> to abort  flowers, onset of fruits and half developed fruits to guarantee
> that  the remaining off springs have good quality and are viable
>  reservoirs
> of there genes. They do not rise seed production under  stress, in
> contrary.
>
> Plants do not have a selfish, individual  centered live , they always
> concentrate on the survival of the  species.This is better done with less
> but
> well developed seeds.The  human being is the only species, that reproduces
> with the focus that  the children might sustain their parents in case of
> crisis. In plants,  this never would happen.
>
> Best regards  Nikolaus
>
>
>
>
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