[Terrapreta] Plant reaction to stress

[Nikolaus Foidl]

Hi Lou!

I can agree on that. My mention is more focused on a monoculture observation
were lot of those mutuality's are different and maybe somehow out of natural
balance. As well I would not say what plants are doing is anthropocentric
altruism, I would say it is over million of years practicised iteration with
every step introducing new selection criteria. The end result is a steady
moving multifactor optimized behavior. We as humanity are passing the first
steps of iterations at the moment(the program just started and surprisingly
we are still in the game) and are still far away from being optimized. There
are at least several thousand more iteration steps with several more factors
needed to find out where are our optimized result field is in this planet.
Regards Nikolaus

On 5/12/08 12:43 PM, "Sean K. Barry" <sean.barry at juno.com> wrote:

> Cool.
>>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>  
>> From: lou gold <mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com>
>>  
>> To: Sean K. Barry <mailto:sean.barry at juno.com>
>>  
>> Cc: terrapreta at bioenergylists.org  ; Nikolaus  Foidl
>> <mailto:nfoidl at desa.com.bo>
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>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:14 AM
>>  
>> Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Plant reaction  to stress
>>  
>> 
>> Hi Sean,
>> 
>> Actually plant communities do evolve toward  mutuality. In my old Oregon
>> forests a serious disturbance like a  stand-removing fire will be regenerated
>> first by a colonizing mono-crop of  Douglas fir. Later, as a result of many
>> factors, it will diversify into a  full-species-range of an old growth forest
>> whose resilience is based on lots  of checks-and-balances and mutualities.
>> No, it's not anthropocentric altruism.  It's something much more powerful and
>> natural -- a network of recycling  sustainable life.
>> 
>> hugs,
>> 
>> lou
>> 
>>  
>> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Sean K. Barry <sean.barry at juno.com> wrote:
>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Hi Nikolaus,
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> I really appreciate your "on the spot" comments.  You are in a  somewhat
>>> unique position, with probably a very healthy agronomist's  experience and
>>> direct involvement so much with agricultural  production.  You make a very
>>> interesting point here about how the human  species acts when under stress.
>>> This may help answer for the reasons  why humans are such an adaptable
>>> species.  We might possibly benefit  from more forward looking and concern
>>> for the well fare of future  generations of our species.  I think so.  This
>>> "fend for yourself  and only the others now around you" mentality smacks of
>>> selfishness and  minimal effort to me.  It is the the good old "American Way
>>> of Life",  heh?!  It might be good for plants or more primitive animal
>>> species,  who need only for themselves to survive, or can't think of or
>>> beyond their  own living existence.  But, I think that humans working for
>>> the benefit  of the yet to be conceived and born other humans is a good
>>> thing and perhaps  one of the greatest tools that humans can use to survive
>>> as species.   Wouldn't it be great if we could train other species to do
>>> likewise?   Better yet, train other species to support our lives better,
>>> because we  support theirs.  Maybe some of the people involved in animal
>>> husbandry  think they are doing this already?
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> I doubt we will educate plants to this sort of "altruistic"  career.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> SKB
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> -----  Original Message -----
>>>>  
>>>> From:  Nikolaus Foidl <mailto:nfoidl at desa.com.bo>
>>>>  
>>>> To:  terrapreta at bioenergylists.org
>>>>  
>>>> Sent:  Monday, May 12, 2008 9:53 AM
>>>>  
>>>> Subject:  [Terrapreta] Plant reaction to stress
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dear SEAN,MFH!
>>>> 
>>>> A small but essential  correction,plants when under stress under a
>>>> continuous
>>>> (nutrient and  other limiting factors taking in a count) inventory, decide
>>>> to abort  flowers, onset of fruits and half developed fruits to guarantee
>>>> that  the remaining off springs have good quality and are viable
>>>> reservoirs
>>>> of there genes. They do not rise seed production under  stress, in
>>>> contrary.
>>>> 
>>>> Plants do not have a selfish, individual  centered live , they always
>>>> concentrate on the survival of the  species.This is better done with less
>>>> but
>>>> well developed seeds.The  human being is the only species, that reproduces
>>>> with the focus that  the children might sustain their parents in case of
>>>> crisis. In plants,  this never would happen.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards  Nikolaus
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
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