[Terrapreta] [Gasification] FUELS AND VEHICLES: ANINTEGRATEDSOLUTION
Kevin Chisholm
kchisholm at ca.inter.net
Thu May 22 11:56:35 CDT 2008
Dear Sean
Well, your Vice President is being proven as a very smart and wise man.
Looks like he was very right when he said:
"The American Way of Life is non-negotiable."
Kevin
Sean K. Barry wrote:
> Hi Roger,
>
> Do you know of any "electric bikes" that come with snow tires, snow
> plows, or handle bar and seat warmers for the drivers?
>
> Regards,
>
> SKB
> Minnesota
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Mary Lehmann <mailto:mlehmann3 at austin.rr.com>
> *To:* Roger Samson <mailto:rsamson at reap-canada.com>
> *Cc:* 'terrapreta group' <mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org> ;
> 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
> <mailto:gasification at listserv.repp.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:19 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Terrapreta] [Gasification] FUELS AND VEHICLES:
> ANINTEGRATEDSOLUTION
>
> I use a bike mostly. I visited China when that was true of their
> city dwellers too. After enough polluted air and traffic jams,
> they'll go back to bikes, and they'll have company --eventually. ML
> On May 21, 2008, at 3:07 PM, Roger Samson wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes mass urban transit is looking like a bit of a crappy (yes
> not very
> > scientific word either) strategy to reduce energy ..quite scary
> > http://www.debunkingportland.com/Transit/BusVsCarTEDB.htm
> > In china they now have 10's of million of electric bicycles,
> that’s
> > the best
> > way to move people and reduce energy consumption
> > electric bicycles are the most sustainable urban transport options
> > after
> > shanks pony (for all you youngsters that’s means walking)
> >
> > we need to gasify biomass for heat and power and then use electric
> > bikes and
> > small electric cars for a more sustainable transport option. Much
> > better
> > than liquid biofuels running conventional sized vehicles or big
> public
> > transit buses
> >
> > Roger Samson
> >
> > W: www.reap-canada.com <http://www.reap-canada.com>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> <mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org>
> > [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Greg
> > and April
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:17 PM
> > To: Mary Lehmann
> > Cc: terrapreta group; Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
> gasification
> > Subject: Re: [Gasification] [Terrapreta] FUELS AND VEHICLES: AN
> > INTEGRATEDSOLUTION
> >
> > Funny you should say that.
> >
> > One of the local news stations did a study to see if it would be
> > possable to
> > ditch the car and take the bus, and reported on it last night.
> >
> > Local price of fuel - $3.66 / gal
> > Local price of a bus ticket ( one way ) - $1.50
> >
> > Going from the news station to the baseball stadium during evening
> > rush hour
> > cost $1.50, requires 2 transfers and 3 buses
> >
> > A reporter and a photojournalist decided to take to trip one
> using his
> > vehicle the other the bus from the same starting point leaving at
> > the same
> > time.
> >
> > Time they both left the bus top near the station was 4:43 ( had
> the
> > rider of
> > the bus missed it, the next bus would not have been by until 5:54 ).
> >
> > The time the driver took in the POV arrived at the stadium was 30
> > minutes,
> > with the consumption of .64 gal of gas for a cost of $2.36 per
> person
> >
> > The time it took the rider on the bus was 1:05 for the cost of
> > $1.50 ( what
> > we don't know is the average number of people on the busses or
> what
> > kind of
> > mileage they get, but it can be logically assumed that they don't
> > get but
> > more than about 8-10 mpg )
> >
> > A difference of $0.86 and 40 minutes.
> >
> > At first glance this looks fairly good -
> >
> > OTOH assuming they both stayed and watch a ballgame, the driver of
> > the car,
> > would have made the return trip in about 20 minutes and a
> > corresponding
> > decrease in fuel consumption due to lack of traffic, and the rider
> > of the
> > bus would have had to either walk back or get a taxi, because the
> > busses
> > don't run that late. We also don't know how many miles per
> gal /
> > per
> > person the busses get, yet I know for a fact that on many routes
> > they run
> > almost empty except during the busiest times of day. - I also know
> > that this
> > is true of many types of mass transit in many cities across the US.
> >
> > Riders on the bus, that used the bus to get to and from work,
> told the
> > photojournalist, that they have to leave home up to 1 hr earlier
> in
> > the day
> > to ensure that they get to work on time and about the same coming
> > home in
> > the evening - assuming they didn't miss the bus and that it was
> > running on
> > schedule.
> >
> > Locally it doesn't matter where you are going, it's going to take
> > at least
> > twice as long to take the bus as it is in a POV, and that's
> > assuming that
> > you caught the right one and that they are running on schedule.
> >
> > Last year there was a time when one of our vehicles was in the
> shop
> > for
> > work, and since I needed the only other one we had for the kids,
> my
> > wife
> > tried to take the bus. It worked out that she needed 2 hrs in
> > the morning
> > and 2 hrs in the evening to go and from work, which was only 15-20
> > min away
> > in a POV.
> >
> > Now if your time is worth $1 an hour ( or less ) - then the bus
> > would make
> > perfect sense, from a fuel, time and cost efficiency stand point.
> >
> > If your time is worth more than $1 / hr, the total efficiency is
> > with the
> > personal automobile.
> >
> >
> > In the end, it all comes down to the fact that different places have
> > different transportation systems and each has to be evaluated on
> > it's own
> > merits, and don't forget that while it varies with each bus,
> unless
> > each bus
> > is running proximity 1/2 full, then it is getting poorer mileage
> than
> > someone driving an old pickup.
> >
> > The entire idea that mass transit is a cure all answer for all
> > places and
> > all individuals, is phony.
> >
> >
> > Greg H.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mary Lehmann
> > To: Benjamin Domingo Bof
> > Cc: terrapreta group ; Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
> > gasification ;
> > killer_ape-peak_oil at yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:killer_ape-peak_oil at yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:00
> > Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] FUELS AND VEHICLES: AN INTEGRATED
> SOLUTION
> >
> >
> > This effort is sad to see, however well intentioned it is,
> > because in the
> > first place the need to use less energy has been confused with
> energy
> > efficiency. If my car gets extra miles to the gallon, what is to
> > keep me
> > from driving more miles? This is like that phoney drive to add
> > wider, faster
> > roads to shorten commuter time. People just moved farther out.
> >
> >
> > In the second place, no account has been taken of the fact that
> > there will
> > not be the available energy to make the passenger cars, compared
> > with the
> > energy economy of mass transit vehicles. As the energy shortage
> > gets worse
> > (yes, before it gets better, if you like), manufacturers and
> > finally the
> > public will be unwilling to forego mass transit vehicles. We will
> > be like
> > the Easter Islanders opposing burning the last trees which should
> > be saved
> > for making boats in which to move away.
> >
> >
> > Mary Lehmann
> >
> ====================================================================
> >
> > On May 16, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Benjamin Domingo Bof wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Fuels and vehicles: an integrated solution
> >
> > The use of fossil fuels in transport creates enormous
> > greenhouse
> > gas emissions. In Canada, in fact, cars and trucks produce more
> > than 30% of
> > all GHG emissions. To make meaningful progress in reducing GHGs,
> > we must
> > address the transport sector. Individually, advanced new
> transport
> > fuels
> > and vehicle technologies contribute to GHG emission reductions.
> > However,
> > the most effective way to reduce CO2 in transport is through an
> > approach
> > which integrates both vehicles and fuels.
> > To achieve this, both vehicles and fuel manufacturers
> are
> > spending
> > billions of dollars to develop and deliver cleaner, more efficient
> > systems
> > that use less gasoline. But typically, vehicle and fuel
> solutions are
> > looked at in separate silos.
> > Historical Agreement Made in 2006: Volkswagen, Shell
> and
> > Iogen
> > are Combining Fuel and Vehicle Technologies for an Integrated
> Solution
> > On January 8, 2006, Volkswagen, Shell and Iogen signed a
> > letter of
> > intent to conduct a study into the economic feasibility of producing
> > cellulose ethanol in Germany.
> >
> > Left to right: Rob Routs, Executive Director Downstream
> > (Oil
> > Products and Chemicals) Royal Dutch Shell; Brian Foody, President,
> > Iogen
> > Corporation; Dr. Bernd Pischetsrieder, Chairman of the Board of
> > Management
> > of Volkswagen AG.
> > This marks the first time that an automotive
> manufacturer
> > has
> > partnered with an oil company and a technology company to
> explore the
> > commercialization opportunity of clean transport fuel such as
> > cellulose
> > ethanol. Volkswagen, Shell and Iogen face a common challenge to
> > deliver
> > mobility to people through the cars they drive and the fuels they
> > use, and
> > to do it in a sustainable way. And the biggest challenge for
> > sustainability
> > is dealing with CO2 emissions. By working together, the three
> > organizations
> > are committed to meeting our sustainability challenges through an
> > integrated
> > approach that uses the most cost effective solutions first.
> > Cellulose ethanol is one of the fuel options that:
> > a.. reduces overall CO2 emissions from vehicles
> > b.. runs in today's cars without any need for automobile
> > modifications or changes to the fuel distribution system and
> > c.. is economical in comparison with all alternatives
> > including
> > many vehicle technology solutions
> > Running any of the many available flexible fuel
> vehicles on
> > cellulose ethanol E85 is one of the most cost effective ways to
> > reduce GHG
> > emissions in transport. Currently, there are more than 4 million
> > FFVs on
> > the road in the United States. Even running today's regular
> > vehicles on a
> > blend of 10% cellulose ethanol will reduce GHGs by close to 10
> > grams of CO2
> > for every kilometre driven.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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