[Terrapreta] Roundup & Monsanto

[Michael Bailes]

2008/5/25 MFH <mfh01 at bigpond.net.au>:

>  There are debates on many aspects of crops engineered to be resistant to
> Roundup, and a scary one is that there could be transfer of the resistant
> genes to some weeds. If this is correct then it could mean that (a) the
> genes could transfer to many other plants and (b) some weeds would no longer
> be able to be controlled by Roundup. So, full circle
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Many agricultural weeds are developing Round up resistance now . You don't
have to wait for possible and as yet theoretical, GM contamination

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> Irrespective, I don't believe that the introduction of food crops that are
> resistant to any herbicide is in the best interests of the planet. The main
> objective is to enhance one company's profits, and to provide that company
> with increasing control of the world's food crops.
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> I agree but the two of us agreeing will not change anything.
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> It seems clear that the addition of agricultural chemicals and fertilisers
> reduces the "life" in soils. Add to this the compaction by machinery and the
> soil becomes merely a substance in which to anchor plants, while they are
> fed and watered artificially. Hydroponics on a grand scale.
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> bo <nfoidl at desa.com.bo>>:
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> Hi Michael!
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> The linkage to Tp is , if we believe that the main positive effect of
> Charcoal is breeding ground for Microbial live and on the other hand the
> physical ability of the charcoal is to adsorb and absorb those types of
> toxins for the bacterial and fungal live we so hardly want to promote, then
> we have a problem and not a small one.
> Best regards Nikolaus
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All well and good Nicolas and MFH but there is No proof that this is
happening  apart from some minor soil algae kill.
In fact round-up is said to promote microbial activity in some soils
You need some hard science to back up your assertions- not opinions.
m

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> On 5/24/08 10:37 AM, "Michael Bailes" <michaelangelica at gmail.com> wrote:
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> You are obviously very concerned about this, but what does it have to do
> with TP or char amended soils?
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> I doubt very much that Glyphosate will ever be banned when now, 2/3 of the
> planet are using DDT again and we know what that does. Glyphosate does not
> have the rap sheet of chlorinated hydrocarbons(DDT DDE Dieldrin Toxaphene
> etc etc) or organo-phosphates..
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> There seems to be little research done on Glyphosate, that shows
> bio-accumulation or *too many *other adverse effects.
> That done a few years ago on how it killed frogs was side-stepped by
> Monsanto by adding a different surfactant and promoting the new Roundup
> Biactive as a safe alternative.
> I have seen one research paper since saying it didn't kill four varieties
> of Australian Frogs, but you would need to be on Monsanto's case full time
> to see what is really happening.
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> Personally I think making a food plant resistant to a weedicide you sell
> and then selling both is immoral.
> I think there is some justification for GM crops if they help feed people ,
> but this is an obvious, amoral, money-making, corporate play/ploy.
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> I would love to see TP stay true to its roots and stay organic; but it is a
> big world out there and I can't shoot all the people I'd like to :).
> Michael
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> 2008/5/24 Nikolaus Foidl <nfoidl at desa.com.bo>:
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> Dear Michael!
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> That is exactly the perversion of 0-tillage. It started 30 or more years
> ago with the intention to escape the high costs of mechanical weeding
> Please people, once in your live, get real. Lets speak charcoal meanwhile
> Monsanto or Pioneer does not sell or promote it.
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> I rest my case
> Nikolaus
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> On 5/24/08 7:37 AM, "Michael Bailes" <michaelangelica at gmail.com> wrote:
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> The CSIRO seems very keen about it here and is promoting it both here and
> in SE Asia.
> They say it helps increase soil micro-organisms and enhances plant growth
> due to better biological activity. Some plant diseases are prevented.
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> Does it have to always include weedicides?
> I note that even the CSIRO is talking about plant weedicide resistance.
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Michael the Archangel
"Politicians will never solve The Problem;
because they don't realise they are The Problem.".
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