[Terrapreta] C02 Tree Capture – how much carbon dioxide do trees really capture?

[lou gold]

Hey Brother,

You are picking I fight.
I am saying no thanks.

hugs,

lou

On Dec 5, 2007 12:28 PM, Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net> wrote:

> Dear Loulou gold wrote:
> > Oooops, I missed the "wood for charcoal question". This one is complex
> > and there is no way I can do it justice.
> Very true. The corollary of which is that you do "wood for charcoal" a
> great injustice when you practically advocate that trees not be used for
> charcoal and TP.
> > Here are just a few considerations...
> >
> > 1. Again, it is most paramount that primary forests are not cut for
> > this purpose.
> What do you mean by a "primary forest?" Is a conversion cut of an
> existing stand permissable to Tree Huggers?
> >
> > 2. Here in Brazil, eucalyptus is grown for charcoal on a huge scale.
> > It even fuels the iron foundries. This is what you do when there is no
> > cheap coal available. I am told told that there are better and worse
> > ways to do it. Cutting primary forests for the first round of charcoal
> > and replacing them with eucalyptus plantations is a bad way. Vast
> > eucalyptus monocultures are a bad way. Placing eucalyptus stands as
> > one of several crops in a diversified farming operation is a good way.
> What are your thoughts on "patchwork monoculture?"
> >
> > 3. I'm very uneasy about the new ethanol from cellulose approach with
> > genetically modified trees but I'm not qualified to have a real
> > intelligent judgment here.
> OK... this is the TP list. Lets stick to issues relating to getting C
> from Trees for TP.
> >
> > 4, I would vastly prefer to see wood wastes go into producing char for
> > the soil instead of for fuel or co-generation.
> This is the TP list. We are not talking about char for fuel, but rather,
> char for TP.
> >
> > OK, that's a start -- barely scratches the surface I'm sure.
> So, how does the Tree Hugger fit with tree wood being used for TP?
>
> Kevin
> >
> > hugs,   lou
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 5, 2007 11:14 AM, lou gold <lou.gold at gmail.com
> > <mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hmmm. Did ya watch the video? It clearly states that soil and
> >     water are the main limiting factors. Therefore, if you want to
> >     have plants and trees pulling CO2 out of the atmosphere, you
> >     better work on soil fertility and its ability to retain water.
> >     Perfect tasks for TP.
> >
> >     I don't consider myself as a spokesperson for the tree-huggers.
> >     Actually, across the past year, Terra Preta maybe transforming my
> >     awareness and ideology more toward conscious farming. The main
> >     inspiration of TP for me is that the El Dorado story says that
> >     once there was a civilization of high density populations living
> >     in harmony with nature and  forests. This is very contrary to the
> >     history of western civilization which advanced via deforestation.
> >     Indeed, it is so different that it might constitute a vitally
> >     necessary paradigm shift and carry us from the issues of scarcity
> >     into the joys of abundance. I don't know that this is true. I
> >     suspect it might be. I want to find out.
> >
> >     I believe strongly that we need to stop logging any more intact
> >     primary forests. A complete halt is unlikely. All steps of avoided
> >     or reduced deforestation need to be rewarded. Carbon credits are a
> >     good way.
> >
> >     As far as as intelligent forest management is concerned, I
> >     recommend that you check out the Menominee Tribal Forest which has
> >     won many awards and recognitions.
> >     http://www.menominee.edu/sdi/RAndEMission.html
> >     <http://www.menominee.edu/sdi/RAndEMission.html>
> >
> >     hugs,
> >
> >     lou
> >
> >
> >     On Dec 5, 2007 10:12 AM, Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net
> >     <mailto:kchisholm at ca.inter.net> > wrote:
> >
> >         Dear David and Lou
> >
> >         Most of us on the Terra Preta List have an "environmentally
> >         responsible
> >         leaning", a sense of beauty, and an appreciation of the good
> >         things a
> >         tree can do. However, what I see is that extremism seldom
> >         works in an
> >         optimal manner. Mother Nature is smart, and she seems to favor
> >         diversity. It is absolutely impossible for Man to exist on
> >         this Earth
> >         without interacting with Mother Nature. Either we get Divorced
> >         and one
> >         of us leaves, or we find ways that we can live on Earth in a
> >         sustainable
> >         basis. Otherwise, one of us will die, and the other will be
> >         seriously
> >         injured.
> >
> >         As Representatives of our "Resident Tree Huggers", what would
> >         you and
> >         David recommend as tree cutting guidelines  acceptable to the
> >         Tree Huggers?
> >
> >         Under what conditions would the Tree Hugging Community agree
> >         to using
> >         wood as a source of carbon for Terra Preta?
> >
> >         Kevin
> >
> >         lou gold wrote:
> >         > Good Morning to All,
> >         >
> >         > Another good one from ABC.
> >         > http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1901661.htm
> >         >
> >         > I draw the lesson that if one wants trees and other plants
> >         to capture
> >         > carbon it's best to work on renewing the soil.
> >         >
> >         > hugs,   lou
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
> >
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