[Terrapreta] negative effects of charcoal, no instantaneousness, and

[Sean K. Barry]

Hi Francoise,

I'm quite sure I've never said putting charcoal into soil "instantaneously" makes it into Terra Preta soil.  If you think so, then show me the post where I said that.

Regards,

SKB
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Bailes<mailto:michaelangelica at gmail.com> 
  To: francoise precy<mailto:f.precy at hotmail.co.uk> ; Terra Preta<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org> 
  Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 5:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] negative effects of charcoal, no instantaneousness,and





  2008/5/30 francoise precy <f.precy at hotmail.co.uk<mailto:f.precy at hotmail.co.uk>>:


    Hi Ruy, Sean, Kevin, Lou and all,

    googling *charcoal negative effects on plant growth*, find loads. Ex.:

    Since we are in irrationality, here's a piece: In a *do-nothing* agronomy, timing is essential and is not a fixed term. Plus, the timelines of the main factors are different but very much interdependant. Lastly no-one seems to have caught up on the several if not numerous similarities between biofilms and micro-organisms as yet, can't find any study in that sense. But I think somewhere along the line it'll be found that the micro-organisms' population dynamics abide (also) by some principle based on 'quorum sensing' = *a type of decision-making process used by decentralized groups (such as bacteria colonies) to coordinate behavior... according to the local density of their population*, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorum_sensing<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorum_sensing>. 

  I am not sure I relly understand this


    I agree with Sean that TP soils are mostly man-made – for the same reason for which I disagree with him about instantaneousness: timing. Soil life is not on the same timelife-scale as carbon, doesn't ring right to insist that it be directly linked. If anything, natural TP seems to me more likely to happen thru forest fires. But can't count on that to build up a soil, I think... TP is harvested from previously built-up sites (built-up as TP soil, that means). Lou's got funny ways of talking for some things, and he's graced with near-impervious shield against sarcasms b/c it's not in his mind so best not take it personally. *vegetation that falls into depressions and low lying areas is converted to TP for harvesting about 20 years later*: that doesn't say if the soil had been prepared or not, and it's very unlikely that it was not. Else there'd be TP all over the world wherever there's been a pile of compost.


   Time is certainly  afactor

  An article you might find interesting 
  file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Lucy/Desktop/Michaels%20Folde%20may%20o8r/Pictures/Carbon%20and%20fuel.htm


  Michael the Archangel
  "Politicians will never solve The Problem;
  because they don't realise they are The Problem.".
  -Robert ( Bob ) Parsons 1995
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