[Terrapreta] CO2 in the Oceans

[Kevin Chisholm]

Dear Mr. Ferguson

Your approach is typical of what one would expect of a "Consensus Science" follower. Ridicule, ad hominem attacks, and appealing to other "true believers" for support, while evading the facts of the matter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem_attack

Here is a little secret: The way to silence me is to show where I am wrong., and to cease posting and supporting scientifically dubious claims and beliefs. Now, If I am as wrong as you seem to feel , that should be a very easy thing for you to do, shouldn't it? 

Show me where I am wrong, and I will apologize to the TP List for my errant views. 

Here is all you have to do to prove me wrong:
1: Get the Ice Core data that Mark is referring to
2: Show that Gore built his case for Anthropogenic causes of the CO2 increase, in a way that is consistent with the real Ice Core Data, and that it does not conflict with it.

If I am as blatantly wrong as you infer, this should be an easy thing for you to do. If you do this successfully, I will be very humbled. If I am right, there is no need for you to make a Public Apology.... I will be quite content to gloat in private. :-) 

Go ahead... give it your best shot! Here is your big chance to humble me in public. However, if you could do this, I personally would be very appreciative for your help in correcting my errant beliefs. 

Is one week enough time to prove me wrong and to show that Gore didn't mess with the Ice Core Data? If you need more time please let me know.

Kevin


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: joe ferguson 
  To: William Carr 
  Cc: terrapreta at bioenergylists.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] CO2 in the Oceans


  But the best policy, by far, is to ignore trolls.  Then we won't waste 
  our time and electrons responding to them.  They're going to keep 
  cropping up on this list, and short of moderating all submissions or 
  outright banning them, there's not much can be done.  But please, resist 
  the impulse to reply.  That's called "feeding the trolls", and it just 
  encourages them and keeps their drivel alive.

  William Carr wrote:
  > On Jun 22, 2008, at 1:00 PM, terrapreta-request at bioenergylists.org  
  > wrote:
  >
  >   
  >> Hansen may indeed be a competent and sincere and well meaning  
  >> Scientist. The fact remains that if it was necessary for Gore to  
  >> mess with real data in order to arrive at the conclusion he wants,  
  >> if Hansen arrived at the same conclusion using different data, then  
  >> they are both wrong.
  >>     
  >
  >
  >
  > Non-Sequiter.    Independent processes leading to common results does  
  > not imply a false output just because you disagree.
  >
  > If I use the ancient Shadow-stick method to measure the circumference  
  > of the Earth and compute it at 24,900 miles, and my neighbor uses a  
  > flawed method involving tea leaves, duct tape, and a goose, then  
  > fudges the result and comes up with 24,900 miles, then we are NOT both  
  > wrong.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Ah-Hem.
  >
  >
  > I have a radical suggestion.   This idea may take some by surprise,  
  > and may even seem a bit shocking.
  >
  >
  > How's about we respect the expertise of those who have studied and  
  > made science their profession ?
  >
  >
  > In other words, if you DO have a degree in Geophysics, Statistics,  
  > Climatology, or whatever, I would be fascinated to hear your views on  
  > this subject.
  >
  >
  > If, on the other hand, you are merely repeating, ad nauseam, your  
  > political party's talking points, and you are in fact, not a scientist  
  > ---  perhaps you don't have the credibility required to make a  
  > positive contribution to this discussion.
  >
  >
  >
  > Thank you for your attention.   We now return to our regularly  
  > scheduled discussion of Terra Preta, already in progress....
  >
  >
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