[Terrapreta] imagine this

[David Hirst .com]

The price is driven primarily by scarcity.

The original estimates of about $50 per ton of CO2 were based on the
assumption that the USA would participate, and would therefore form a
significant demand for carbon reductions from the rest of the world.

Without the USA, the anticipated price was about $14, and this was reflected
in the early price of CO2 in the EU ETS. After a hiccup, this again is
around the expected price.

The $8 is based on "volunteering" in that corporations can choose to enter
the scheme (and good for them), and, once entered are prevented from
leaving. Much as many of us choose to buy offsets for our carbon use.

Regards

David

 

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From: terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org
[mailto:terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Tom Miles
Sent: 04 March 2008 01:49
To: Terrapreta at bioenergylists.org
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] imagine this

 

For current prices see Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX)
http://www.chicagoclimatex.com/

and Point Carbon  <http://www.pointcarbon.com/> http://www.pointcarbon.com/

 

See an interview with Richard Sandor, Chairman and CEO of CCX in < Big Foot
> by Michael Spector, New Yorker, February 25, 2008

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/02/25/080225fa_fact_specter?currentP
age=1

 

Tom

 

 

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[mailto:terrapreta-bounces at bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Greg and April
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:54 PM
Cc: Terrapreta at bioenergylists.org
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Agreed.

 

IIRC, when the Kyoto Protocols were laid down, it was estimated that Carbon
Credits would be in the area of $50 or more a ton - but last I heard they
were worth all of about $8 a ton, and some nations were using them to
support their fossil fuel industry.

 

Greg H.

 

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          from          Lewis L. Smith

The problem with credits is that they are intangibles, values created by a
system, not a tangible object manufactured from materials or a repair job
which produces a tangible change in the behavior of a tangible object.

So many of the participants in the markets for credits will be at an
information disadvantage.  Those of you who have had to buy a used car at
some time in your life will know all about that !  

This is why I believe some kind of standard will be necessary from the
beginning and may not just evolve spontaneously. Those who have the
information advantage at the beginning will want to keep it, unless the
public sector, a trade association or such like intervene.

Cordially. ###

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