[Terrapreta] Plant reaction to stress

[Sean K. Barry]

Cool.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: lou gold<mailto:lou.gold at gmail.com> 
  To: Sean K. Barry<mailto:sean.barry at juno.com> 
  Cc: terrapreta at bioenergylists.org<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org> ; Nikolaus Foidl<mailto:nfoidl at desa.com.bo> 
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] Plant reaction to stress


  Hi Sean,

  Actually plant communities do evolve toward mutuality. In my old Oregon forests a serious disturbance like a stand-removing fire will be regenerated first by a colonizing mono-crop of Douglas fir. Later, as a result of many factors, it will diversify into a full-species-range of an old growth forest whose resilience is based on lots of checks-and-balances and mutualities. No, it's not anthropocentric altruism. It's something much more powerful and natural -- a network of recycling sustainable life.

  hugs,

  lou


  On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Sean K. Barry <sean.barry at juno.com<mailto:sean.barry at juno.com>> wrote:

    Hi Nikolaus,

    I really appreciate your "on the spot" comments.  You are in a somewhat unique position, with probably a very healthy agronomist's experience and direct involvement so much with agricultural production.  You make a very interesting point here about how the human species acts when under stress.  This may help answer for the reasons why humans are such an adaptable species.  We might possibly benefit from more forward looking and concern for the well fare of future generations of our species.  I think so.  This "fend for yourself and only the others now around you" mentality smacks of selfishness and minimal effort to me.  It is the the good old "American Way of Life", heh?!  It might be good for plants or more primitive animal species, who need only for themselves to survive, or can't think of or beyond their own living existence.  But, I think that humans working for the benefit of the yet to be conceived and born other humans is a good thing and perhaps one of the greatest tools that humans can use to survive as species.  Wouldn't it be great if we could train other species to do likewise?  Better yet, train other species to support our lives better, because we support theirs.  Maybe some of the people involved in animal husbandry think they are doing this already?

    I doubt we will educate plants to this sort of "altruistic" career.

    Regards,

    SKB
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      From: Nikolaus Foidl<mailto:nfoidl at desa.com.bo> 
      To: terrapreta at bioenergylists.org<mailto:terrapreta at bioenergylists.org> 
      Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:53 AM
      Subject: [Terrapreta] Plant reaction to stress



      Dear SEAN,MFH!

      A small but essential correction,plants when under stress under a continuous
      (nutrient and other limiting factors taking in a count) inventory, decide
      to abort flowers, onset of fruits and half developed fruits to guarantee
      that the remaining off springs have good quality and are viable reservoirs
      of there genes. They do not rise seed production under stress, in contrary.

      Plants do not have a selfish, individual centered live , they always
      concentrate on the survival of the species.This is better done with less but
      well developed seeds.The human being is the only species, that reproduces
      with the focus that the children might sustain their parents in case of
      crisis. In plants, this never would happen.

      Best regards Nikolaus

       



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